All right, we're back here now with my good friend Chuck Rocha.

We're joining us here today in the studio. Hey, Chuck, how are you? Welcome back to K-Z-E-Y. Jeff, I'm fully prepared to allow you to lead the rest of this interview if you so desire. Hey, Chuck, we know you're a big fisherman down there. You love to go out to Florida and all over the place, been down to Cuba fishing. Tell us about your favorite fishing trip, Chuck. The waves are rolling down here in South Florida today, and people are on the water. They are getting out and going fishing.

Everyone's a personality. That's Jeff Weaver and Chuck Rocha, senior advisors to the Bernie 2020 campaign. Have you done radio? Because I know that Senator Sanders has this history of doing radio, being involved with media, having an album. No, you were never tempted? No. But I could have done anything. It's never too late. I have a face for radio. I don't think I'm doing this fine. I need people take a lot of pictures of me. Lots of pictures of me. You guys, if there was a better encapsulation of your personality has been that,

then I don't know what it is.

This week, I'm talking to folks who knew Bernie way back when,

to get some insight into the man who's defined principally by his principles.

Yeah. principally by his principles. This is Hear the Burn, a podcast about the people, ideas, and politics that are driving the Bernie Sanders 2020 campaign and the movement to secure a

dignified life for everyone living in this country. My name is Breonna Joy Gray, coming to you

this time from campaign headquarters in Washington, D.C. For this week's episode, I chatted with

David Serota, an investigative journalist who has known Senator Sanders for 20 years,

and who was the first person ever to hold the title Bernie Sanders speechwriter.

But first, I talked to senior advisor Jeff Weaver, Solo, about the 30-plus years he's known the senator.

Chuck joined this about halfway through.

So I met Bernie back in the spring of 1986. I had been thrown out of college for anti-apartheid

protesting. I was kicking around in Vermont and he was running for governor as an independent.

He was mayor of Burlington. And I called down to the campaign headquarters, and the guy named Phil

Vermonte, who's also a recently retired, long-time Bernie guy, came out to meet with me,

and I should have known something was wrong, because when he left, I was the county coordinator

for a gubernatorial campaign in Vermont, having no campaign experience whatsoever.

Anyway, I was staffing Bernie at a dairy festival, something we have in Vermont.

My job was to sort of hand him, hold a sign, a Bernie sign on a stick, and hand him these

buttons, Bernie buttons, which he would go around and offer folks at the dairy festival and

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