Welcome to this week's bonus interview on the prayers of rest podcast. Today, we're talking

with my friend Shannon Popkin about feeling envious. In this episode, we dive straight into some

early childhood memories of envy, what the surprising root of envy really is, and a family

activity that can help you talk with your children about envy in a non-threatening way.

Toward the end of the episode, Shannon and I both tear up as we're sharing how in the hands of Jesus our envy can become an invitation

to experience his rest and his transformation so grab a cup of coffee sit down

and join us in this and if you've listened to this week's prayer episode on praying through

envy, or even as you follow along with Shannon's story in today's conversation, if you're feeling

like you need some help, processing deep-seated envy, we've created a prayer journal that you can download and start journaling as you

process this season's hard emotions with Jesus. It's one of the gifts that we're offering to listeners

who have pre-ordered the book, Prayers of Rest, 365 prompts to slow down and hear God's voice. You can find the links to order the book

and the form to claim your bonus gifts at prayersofrest.com. And if you haven't pre-order the book yet,

make sure you listen to the end of the episode for a listener exclusive discount code just for

listeners of this podcast.

So Shannon and I met at a conference a few years ago. I think we were actually in like the

lunch buffet line when a mutual friend introduced us. And over the years, I've grown to appreciate Shannon's quiet spirit and her humble heart.

Shannon Popkin is an author. You'll hear me reference her book, Comparison Girl,

in our conversation, as well as the host of a brand new podcast called Live Like It's True.

She's also a wife, a mom, and she's super transparent about the battle against envy and comparison. In fact, we actually start by talking

about how envy is woven into a child's heart from an early age, and Shannon shares her first memory of feeling envious.

Man, this goes so far back into our childhoods. And I'm a mama. I've got three kids,

ages eight, five, and three. and the comparison is non-stop like morning

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