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Scott Horton Show - Just the Interviews

5/6/22 Stephen Walt: A Realist’s Take on the War in Ukraine

Scott Horton Show - Just the Interviews

Scott Horton

News, Politics

4.8902 Ratings

🗓️ 9 May 2022

⏱️ 32 minutes

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Summary

Stephen Walt joined Scott for Antiwar Radio this week to give his view of the war in Ukraine. Walt is one of the leaders of the doctrine known as “foreign policy realism.” He starts by explaining what separates the realists from other schools of thought in the foreign policy space. He then ties those insights into the current war Russia has launched on Ukraine. He ends by explaining what will lead to escalation, and what has to happen in order for the war to end. Discussed on the show: The Israel Lobby The Hell of Good Intentions Stephen Walt is Professor of International Affairs at the Harvard Kennedy School, and the author of Taming American Power: The Global Response to U.S. Primacy. He is a regular contributor to ForeignPolicy.com. Follow him on Twitter @stephenWalt. This episode of the Scott Horton Show is sponsored by: The War State and Why The Vietnam War?, by Mike Swanson; Tom Woods’ Liberty Classroom; ExpandDesigns.com/Scott; EasyShip; Free Range Feeder; Thc Hemp Spot; Green Mill Supercritical; Bug-A-Salt and Listen and Think Audio. Shop Libertarian Institute merch or donate to the show through Patreon, PayPal or Bitcoin: 1DZBZNJrxUhQhEzgDh7k8JXHXRjYu5tZiG. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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For Pacifica Radio, May 8th, 2022.

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I'm Scott Horton.

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This is anti-war radio. I'm your host Scott Horton.

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I'm the editorial director of anti-war.com, an author of the book Enough Already.

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Time to End the War on Terrorism.

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You can find my full interview archive,

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more than 5,700 of them now,

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going back to 2003 at Scott Horton.org and at YouTube.com slash Scott Horton show.

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All right, y'all and introducing today's guest, it's Stephen M. Walt, Professor at Harvard University and one of the leaders of America's

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Realist School of Foreign Policy Studies. He's co-author of the book The Israel Lobby with John J. Meersheimer, and he's also the

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author of The Hell With Good Intentions. No, it's The Hell of Good Intentions.

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America's Foreign Policy Elite and the decline of U.S. primacy

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and other great books like that.

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Welcome back to the show, Stephen.

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How are you doing, sir?

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I'm not doing badly, Scott.

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Nice to be with you. I really appreciate you joining us on the show today and

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Could you just describe for us real kind of thumbnail take on what makes you a realist compared to say a neo-con or a liberal

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interventionist or a non-interventionist like myself? Sure I mean I think realists

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begin with the recognition that there is no central agency or

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institution in the world that can protect states from each other in force

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agreements, ensure cooperation, that it's a world of anarchy where every state is

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