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Phil Mackey, Judd Zolgan.

I'm not judging these guys on size or color.

I just think they were boring and dumb.

Mackey and Judd on 1500 ESPA.

All right, we got Stanley Cup files to discuss.

But Lou, we just spent a half hour of going down memory lane with Chip Skagans just talking about watching sports as kids and chasing autographs.

When you were a kid or when you were growing up, did you, did you ever seek autographs or look to meet some of your sports idols? Do you have any stories from when

you were a kid? Oh yeah. I obviously I was a nut Detroit Red Wing fan and they used to practice

their preseason their training camp was in Siouxmary, Michigan at the Polar Stadium.

So I take the ferry boat across.

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