All right, y'all welcome to the Scott Horton's show.

I'm the director of the Libertarian Institute.

I'm the director of the Libertarian Institute,

editorial director of anti-war.com.

Author of the book, Pools Arren,

time to end the war in Afghanistan,

and the brand new enough already. Time to end the war in Afghanistan and the brand new enough already time to end the war on

terrorism and I've recorded more than 5,500 interviews since 2003 almost all on

foreign policy and all available for you at

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interview archive is also available at YouTube. YouTube. dot com and Eddie Lloyd.

She is a lawyer from the defense team of David McBride,

the Australian War Crimes Whistleblower from the Afghan war. Welcome both of you to this. war Okay, so I guess we'll, we'll start with you, Kathy, if you want to give us the overview here,

and then maybe we'll get into some of the legal nuts and bolts with Eddie here.

Okay, Scott, well, the short story is that David is in jail.

And we had a trial after many many years in November last year it was supposed to be a week

long but it didn't even last that long and essentially what happened over and And some dispute over the notion of duty, whether the duty of Major David McBride, who was a legal officer, a barrister in fact, whether his duty was

solely Alan Juremberg to obey orders or whether if there was something amiss whether it was his duty as a legal

officer of the court and in fact Eddie can go into more detail about that it is actually legislated whether he had a duty to disclose that information.

And in fact David had discovered that back in 2012 there was some terrible things going on,

murders and he wasn't there at the time. He arrived in 2013 and he got some information that they wanted to change the rules of engagement and he said oh really why and

there was sort of resisting giving him that reason why they wanted to change the rules of engagement.

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