Hello everyone and welcome to Saturn returns with me Kaggy Dunlop. This is a

podcast that aims to bring clarity during transitional times where there can be

confusion and doubt.

Our whole moral code has been given to us by an outside authority.

And as you just said so much of childhood so much of

being a woman is like is this okay is this okay too much comfortable am I

overstepping today I'm joined by the wonderful Elise Lewin, writer, editor, podcast host and former chief content officer at

Goop, the Wellness and Lifestyle brand.

Now I first discovered Elise when I was listening to the Goot Podcast, which has been a favorite of mine for a very, very long time. And as podcast go, I felt like I sort of knew her and she was like a friend from afar.

I love her mind, I love how inquisitive she is, I love the questions that she asks.

And so I wanted to speak to her now that she's stepped down from Goup and is doing her own thing and what that process has been like.

Now, Elise has co-written a phenomenal 11 books including five New York Times bestsellers co-authored with names such as

Ellen DeGeneres, Gwyneth Paltro and Sophia Amruso. So she's fairly

accomplished to say the least but what was so fascinating about this episode was

her sort of negotiating and struggling in stepping into her own authority which

is something that I can very much relate to and I think a lot of our listeners will too.

And it's a big theme in navigating your Saturn returns.

It's like no longer allowing the keys to your kingdom to be with other people, to really carve out your own path, but all that comes

with, all the fear that that comes with, all the vulnerability of being truly seen, of taking that responsibility.

And in Elisa's process, you know, she was able to be by the side of these very powerful figures,

but in the shadows.

And so what I love is that she's stepping out of the shadows

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