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of the University of Chicago. Sir, it's great to see you. Thanks for joining us again.

I'm glad to be here. Thank you for inviting me. Always. So, sir, you recently took part in a debate

with your co-author, Dr. Stephen Walt, against Mike Pompeo, the former Secretary of State,

and Victoria Newland, famous for many reasons

of being one of the preeminent neocons and very involved in what happened in the color revolution

in Ukraine.

But there was one particular moment we wanted your reaction to of your exchange here with

Newland and Pompeo on the issue of Iran.

Let's take a listen. We'll get your

reaction. This is what human decency demands. You don't let a radical regime close off the

global economy by firing Shahid missiles into nations that did nothing, right? They're firing

into civilians in the United Arab Emirates, even just this week, that's just not something that the world can accept.

And so this monster is worthy of the hunt.

You do know, Mike, that we started the war.

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