What up, guys? Welcome to the Chih Tzu podcast. Today we have a returning guest, a friend of mine.

It was actually, hey, he'll kind of, we joke about it. The first, I did a podcast like back in 2013,

and he was the very first guest on that podcast. I call it the Matt Wynn podcast, which,

you know, Matt Wend, your cardio or something. I thought I was being clever.

Most people didn't get it, you know, but, uh, yeah, I just stopped.

There's some reasons why I stopped doing it, but I kind of kicked myself in the head.

I'm like, man, I should have been doing that.

I would have been like the first like main, besides having them back on the podcast, he's an old friend of mine.

And again, he's one of the pioneers in the Midwest jitzy scene, right? He's had his gym open

since for 25 years now, as I'll talk about. And, you know, this podcast, we get into everything

from like old grappler tips and ideas and things that we're dealing with, but also to talk a little

bit about gym ownership, because again, you know, he's, as he'll talk about, he's kind of restarting

his gym and everything else and a lot of changes. And so again, it's a fun podcast, a little bit

more freeform. If you guys want to hear more of his like bio story and how he got shot in the head and then, you know, came back from that. Everything else, that's a great story. Go look up James Klingerman, jujitsu podcast, whatever episode that is, it's probably like 200 episodes back. Um, you can listen to that one. It's a great episode. So if you like James, you're like, that was interesting. You might want to listen to the first one because to me it's a really cool story of a dude overcoming some crazy stuff.

But again, that said, this one's a little bit more like loose and just kind of getting into it.

And hopefully you guys enjoy it.

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