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Okay, so let's just step back and you know there's a discussion board called

Mormon discussions. There's also one called Mormon apologetic dialogue or

something like that. I think it's been called the mad board. But there's this whole

underground of sort of Mormon scholars, Mormon critics, Mormon apologists. And if

you go to any of these boards at any given time, there's just volumes of text

being written about all sorts of history and controversy and and scholarship

around Mormon studies. It's a real fascinating and vibrant subculture. And I know

that you've had your own interactions with with the likes of Daniel Peterson and

Lumichly and others over the years. And so I'm just curious if you're you know

if you're willing to talk about kind of when that first started and what your

experience has been just personally trying to interact with Mormon apologists.

And I want the conversation to kind of lead to where we are today with what's

happened with Mormon apologetics over time, how they evolved and where are we

today and then we can talk about the future. But what are you able to talk

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