I'm Jay Papazan, and this is The One Thing, your weekly guide to the simple steps that lead to extraordinary results.

One Thing, gang, I'm super excited about this episode. I just had so much fun recording it.

This week we talked to Ann LaCompf. She's the author of Tiny Experiments. And the brains behind Ness Labs, a massive 100,000-plus subscriber newsletter that explores productivity and all things how we think.

Now, what's beautiful about Anne Lars' approach is she's super

practical. She's looking for ways for us to introduce new behaviors to your life. So if you've

struggled to get that new routine going, Anne's going to share packs some of her simple formulas

for how you can start a new behavior in your life. By lowering the stakes, you know,

kind of like we talk about with the first domino, getting to that first domino and building that

first parts of a habit, she's able to give us some really practical advice on how we can start

to transform our lives. Without further ado, let's jump in and learn from Ann Lar the Com.

All right, Ann Lar, thanks you so much for joining us in the studio.

I'm so excited to talk about your book, which I literally finished this morning.

So it's all fresh in my brain, super excited, and the parallels and where we can go with the one thing are really strong.

But before we kind of go down the path of how do we tackle procrastination and how do we defeat perfectionism, which you write very eloquently about, let's set it up.

You talk a lot about making PACs.

What is a pact?

What I call a pact is a commitment to curiosity. It's saying I am going

to explore this specific action for this specific duration. It was inspired by the scientific

method. So if you think about the way scientists conduct experiments, they say, I'm kind of curious about this phenomenon.

I want to understand what's going on here.

And so I'm going to design some form of tests so I can collect data and then make decisions.

But they don't do it just once.

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