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How do we change the perception of people out there that, you know, this is really skilled labor.

This is highly technical, you know, what craftsmen, carpenters, plumbers, electricians, everybody does out there is super technical.

That's why we call them. That's why we need them.

Welcome to the Fine Home Building Pro Talk podcast, a regular discussion with building industry professionals.

This is Senior Editor of Patrick McComb.

Today I'm joined by Dave Cooper, host of YouTube's Dave Cooper Live and a construction

technology advocate.

You can find the Fine Home Building Pro Talk podcast and the original Fine Home Building podcast

at Fine Home Building.com slash podcast.

You can leave feedback and ask questions there too.

Dave, it's a pleasure to have you on the show.

Thank you so much for being

here. Yeah, well, thank you for inviting me. I've been watching and listening and reading fine

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