#494: Michael Phelps and Grant Hackett — Two Legends on Competing, Overcoming Adversity, Must-Read Books, and Much More
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🗓️ 21 January 2021
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Michael Phelps and Grant Hackett — Two Legends on Competing, Overcoming Adversity, Must-Read Books, and Much More | Brought to you by Wealthfront automated investing, Eight Sleep’s Pod Pro Cover sleeping solution for dynamic cooling and heating, and ButcherBox premium meats delivered to your door. More on all three below.
Michael Phelps (@michaelphelps) is widely regarded as one of the greatest athletes of all time. He captured 28 medals, including a record-setting 23 gold medals, and set 39 world records over the course of his career. Michael utilized his performance bonus for winning eight gold medals in 2008 to establish the Michael Phelps Foundation, which promotes water safety, healthy living (physical and mental), and the pursuit of dreams. The Foundation’s signature program — IM — is a learn-to-swim, healthy living, and goal-setting curriculum based on the principles and tools Michael utilized in his swimming career and is available through the Boys and Girls Clubs of America and Special Olympics International. His advocacy for water safety and mental health has earned the recognition of the Boys and Girls Clubs of America (Champion of Youth), American Image Awards (Humanitarian Award), Substance Abuse and Mental Health Services Administration (Special Recognition Award), The Ruderman Family Foundation (Morton E. Ruderman Award in Inclusion), and PR Week (Health Influencer 50 and 2020 Communicator of the Year), among others.
Michael served as an executive producer and featured talent in the HBO documentary The Weight of Gold , which explores the mental health challenges Olympic athletes often face. In addition, he has published two autobiographies, No Limits: The Will to Succeed and Beneath the Surface, that were New York Times and USA Today bestsellers, and one children’s book, How to Train with a T-Rex and Win Eight Gold Medals.
Grant Hackett (@grant__hackett) represented and captained Australia in swimming at the Olympic Games. He collected a total of 58 medals over the course of his swimming career — with 26 gold at Olympic, Commonwealth, and World Championships levels — along with 16 world records. He remained unbeaten for 11 years in his pet event, the 1500m freestyle. Grant also received prestigious honors such as the Order of Australia, Centenary Medal, and Australian Sports Medal. Grant is a member of the Sports Australia Hall of Fame and International Swimming Hall of Fame.
His qualifications include an executive master's of business administration with first-class honors, a diploma of business law, and a diploma of financial services. Grant is the CEO of Generation Life, an Australia-based investment firm managing more than $1.3 billion.
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| 0:00.0 | Hello boys and girls, this is Tim Ferris and welcome to another episode of the Tim Ferris show where it is my job to attempt to deconstruct world class performers of all different types from all different disciplines to give you techniques perhaps tactics favorite books training regimens even recovery protocols even that you can use and my guests today are the best at what they do. |
| 0:23.0 | Michael Phelps and Grant Hackett they're very close friends they were able to feed off of each other their shared stories are incredible so the combination of the two on this podcast was really special now let me read these bios and then we'll jump right into the conversation. |
| 0:44.0 | Michael Phelps you recognize his name on Twitter at Michael Phelps is widely regarded as one of the greatest athletes of all time he captured 28 medals including a record setting 23 gold medals and set 39 world records over the course of his career Phelps utilized his performance bonus for winning eight gold medals in 2008 to establish the Michael Phelps foundation which promotes water safety healthy living physical and mental and the pursuit of dreams the foundation signature program I am is a learn to swim healthy living in goal setting curriculum based on the print. |
| 1:13.0 | Tools and tools Phelps utilized in his swimming career and is available through the boys and girls clubs of America and special Olympics international his advocacy for water safety and mental health has earned the recognition of the boys and girls clubs of America champion of youth American image awards that's the humanitarian award substance abuse and mental health services administration special recognition award the ruderman family foundation Morton E ruderman award inclusion and PR week health influencer 50 and 50 |
| 1:42.0 | and 2020 communicator of the year among many others Phelps served as an executive producer and featured talent in the HBO documentary the weight of gold which explores the mental health challenges Olympic athletes often face |
| 1:55.0 | although it really extends to many many more people and types of people than Olympic athletes in addition he has published two autobiographies no limits subtitle the world succeed and beneath the surface that were New York times and USA today best sellers and one children's book how to train with the |
| 2:11.0 | T-Rex and win eight gold medals you can find him online on Twitter Twitter dot com forward slash Michael Phelps Facebook Facebook dot com forward slash Michael Phelps and on Instagram at M underscore Phelps zero zero |
| 2:26.0 | Grant Hackett on Instagram at Grant underscore underscore Hackett that's two underscores all give that to you again at Grant underscore underscore HACK ETT represented and capped in Australia |
| 2:39.0 | and swimming at the Olympic Games he collected a total of 58 medals over the course of his swimming career with 26 gold at Olympic Commonwealth and World Championship levels along with 16 world records he remained unbeaten for 11 years in his pet event the 1500 meter freestyle that's just nuts |
| 2:56.0 | Grant also received prestigious honors such as the order of Australia the Centenary Medal and the Australian sports medal |
| 3:04.0 | Grant is a member of the sports Australia Hall of Fame and international swimming Hall of Fame his qualifications include also an executive masters of business administration with first class honors a diploma of business law and a diploma of financial services |
| 3:18.0 | Grant is the CEO of generation life and a sterile based investment firm managing more than 1.3 billion dollars so with all that said please enjoy Michael Phelps and Grant Hackett |
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