The Hello everyone. Canadians have benefited from or suffered

under the rule of Justin Trudeau for a substantial amount of time now and during that time his administration

his government has been plagued by a number of scandals some greater and some lesser One of the more unreported scandals

has to do with the sequential departure

of some of the more powerful

and opinionated figures in his cabinet

and his government,

including many of the women that he so triumphantly appointed

to his cabinet, what would you say, founded on the idea of equity in 2015.

I've been, I've reached out to many of the people who've

abandoned his ship, you might say, on the liberal side

to talk, to find out what it was like working with Justin, with

Prime Minister Trudeau and generally they've refused to talk to me, not impolately or anything like that, but it just hasn't been successful. But today it was successful because I got to talk to Selina Caesar Shevan, who was elected in the writing of Whitby in 2015, who left her own business,

divested herself of her own business to do so, and then was appointed parliamentary secretary and she told us what it was like.

She worked very closely with Trudeau or in principle very closely.

The story is much more complicated than that for about four

years until she decided that, to put it bluntly, she'd had more than enough, as you will

discover if you attend to this podcast, which I would highly recommend,

particularly if you're Canadian, it is devastating, really. It was, it's a shocking interview, I would say. It's an emotional interview.

She's very articulate. She's very careful. She's very forthright and revealing, much more so than I might have expected.

And the picture she paints is not a pretty one, seriously, not a pretty one and

everyone. Everyone who has the opportunity should listen to this

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