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I'll Drink to That! Wine Talk

492: Jean-Emmanuel Simond Does Not Like Your White Wine

I'll Drink to That! Wine Talk

Levi Dalton

Levi Dalton, Spain, Terroir, Napa Valley, Winemaker, Red Wine, Food, Burgundy, Personal Journals, Restaurant, Australia, Sommelier, Journalist, Portugal, Vineyard, Piemonte, Grape, Interview, Arts, Society & Culture, White Wine, Loire Valley, Champagne, Sicilia, Austria, Tuscany, Conversation, Hobbies, Wine Business, Leisure, Bordeaux, Sonoma, Feedpodcast, Wine, Germany, Author

4.81K Ratings

🗓️ 1 July 2023

⏱️ 93 minutes

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Summary

Jean-Emmanuel Simond is a writer and wine critic for "La Revue du vin de France", covering the Côte de Nuits of Burgundy and Alsace. He is also a co-owner of wine importer Oenotropie. He is based in Paris, France.


Jean-Emmanuel describes a chance introduction to fine, old wine and the subsequent revelation he had about wine. He discusses a key period for his wine experience that happened while he was living in New York City in the late 1990s, where he met Joe Dressner. He explains that in his role selling bottles from Natural wine pioneers to restaurants and wine shops in Manhattan that he learned about the wine philosophy and outlook of Joe Dressner and the vigneron he represented, at a time when there were few Natural wine producers. Jean-Emmanuel talks about tasting little known wines from the Loire Valley and the south of France, and how he recognized those as something artisanal and local, and wines with a sense of place.


Jean-Emmanuel next describes his transition back to France, and then to writing and reviewing wine for "La Revue du vin de France" magazine, something he has done since 2005. He emphasizes that he is drawn to the side of wine writing that is about making discoveries, while covering diverse regions like the Côte de Nuits and Alsace. He contrasts the positions of Burgundy and Alsace in the market, with strong demand following the wines of Burgundy, but with Alsace being perceived as stylistically out of fashion, despite the emphasis on organic and Biodynamic farming there. Jean-Emmanuel goes on to describe a global fashion for lean, crisp white wines drunk too young, a trend which he finds frustrating. He cites a lack of aged white wine bottles on restaurant wine lists and suggests that white wine producers should hold back bottles longer in their own cellars. He then goes on to suggest that a fashion for underripe white wines from across many different wine regions has resulted in white wines that have been made in a way that emphasizes acidity over ageability, arguing that white wines from riper vintages will age better.


Jean-Emmanuel strongly believes that global warming has helped improve the quality of Pinot Noir grapes for red Burgundy today, and he discusses this while comparing and contrasting the red Burgundy vintages of 2019, 2020, and 2021. He addresses the role of chaptalization in Burgundy today, and also raises that point that with climate change and riper grapes, the growers are finding that they cannot work in the same way that they used to. He postulates that more acidity in wines can result from adjusting work in the vineyards. He also covers current trends for red Burgundy in whole cluster use and for the level of extraction. He touches on how the timing of malolactic conversion can affect the build of a red Burgundy. He also describes how adjustments to canopy and trellising in the vineyards may affect wine quality and texture. He further touches on the importance of lees contact for red Burgundy, and how Burgundians are moving away from pumping grapes and juice, and towards an increased interest in bottling barrel by barrel. He talks about learning about wine by tasting in Burgundy cellars, and what that has been like for him. He also postulates more unpredictability and small yields in Burgundy in the future, as a result of further climate change.


Jean-Emmanuel highlights the quality and value of Pinot Noir from Alsace today, suggesting that this is not always noticed because of the image of the region for white wines. He covers some of the different styles of Pinot Noir being made in Alsace today, and talks about why consumers should buy them.


He also discusses his import business, which imports Italian wines into France for French consumers.


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Transcript

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0:00.0

I'm Levy Dalton and this is all drink to that where we get behind the scenes of the wine business. Oh, Jean-Emanul Cimmon, a French wine journalist and also a wine importer into France as well as a consultant in the New York market.

0:32.9

Hello, sir, how are you?

0:34.2

Hello, I'm very well, thank you.

0:36.2

Thanks for inviting me.

0:37.4

It's very nice to see you.

0:39.2

So you, like myself, grew up in the 1970s.

0:42.2

You were born in 71. a good vintage I think but

0:47.3

your family wasn't so much into wine at least your parents not at all my parents

0:51.9

my parents had not much interest for wine. My father was barely drinking one or two glasses of Bordeaux on Sunday for lunch, but I guess that's about about it so my interest for wine didn't come from my

1:07.3

parent's side and you grew up in France I was born in Paris my family was born in Paris, my family was living in Paris, but part of my family is originated from the Alps, from Savoir, this little beautiful town called Shemonix, which is just next to the Bumblond, the marvelous mountain scenery.

1:27.5

And it was marvelous to be able to spend holidays there in summer and winter. It's a place I really love.

1:35.0

What was your childhood like?

1:37.0

What was it like?

1:40.0

We travelled quite a lot with my parents.

1:43.4

They took me to Africa or they took me to,

1:46.8

we did a great trip when I was like eight or nine year old.

1:50.4

But I vividly remember we visited all the national parks in the U.S. going to

1:55.6

Wyoming, Grand Canyon, Yellowstone, this was incredible for me.

2:04.4

Yeah, unusual for our French show.

2:07.0

Yeah, but we've...

2:09.0

My parents always, I've always loved hiking and visiting nature and seeing some wild animals.

2:18.0

So yeah, it's something that I really enjoy today.

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