Hello and welcome to best case, worst case.

This is Jim Clemente, retired FBI profile of former New York City prosecutor and writer-producer

of criminal minds.

And with me today is the lovely.

Maureen O'Connell, 25-year veteran of the FBI and a 20-year member of the FBI's ERT team.

And we're back for week two with our two special guests who are going to talk to us about the case we discussed last week.

So with us today is?

Will Sveilar, retired 32-year veteran in the Chicago Police. Most of it, 26 of that was in the detective vision, from homicide detective up to and including retiring as a commander of the officer involved shooting team. And? And Tim Murphy, retired Chicago Police Homicide Detective, worth cold case homicides, 35 years in law enforcement, over 35 years in law enforcement.

Last seven years on CPD was assigned to Will's unit handling officer involved shootings and officer involved fatalities.

And your name is Tim Murphy, right?

Yes, that is correct. Very good. Well, thanks for coming

back. And today, we'd like to sort of get behind the scenes. We know this was a significant case

and horrible, horrible set of circumstances. This eight-year-old boy was executed in an alley.

And that's a horrible thing.

But you guys were responsible for bringing three offenders to justice.

So tell us about the trial.

Like when did it happen?

How long after the events?

What was the lead up to that? I'll go back a little bit. Timmy can talk more about the trial, but I'm going to go back to both to the when you talk about behind the scenes. When you have a case like this, everybody's watching. There's a lot of pressure. There is telephone calls coming from City Hall, the clergy in the area down and it goes it went from the mayor to the superintendent down to the chief the detectives the deputy chief

and it trickled down into the area and the commander of the area he was kind of a hands-on guy and i'm

to tell you something about homicide detectives and i can say this because i one. You want to talk about a bunch of primadonna's that are difficult to supervise? The best homicide detectives are very difficult to supervise. As a matter of fact, I don't even like to use that word. And I know that because I was one. Well, when this, when this was all happening, I got called in the office.

And it was an afternoon, it was an afternoon scene, but I was a day shift sergeant.

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