From RelayFM, this is Upgrade, episode 490.

From Relay FM, this is Upgrade, episode 490. Upgrade is brought to you this time. is He actually kind of is. He kind of is on assignment this week, doing expanding his mind and learning things and doing awesome stuff.

And so joining me this time for the upgrade program, returning after about a year since I think he was here the last

time in December as a guest it is John Syracusea. Hi John. Like a

substitute teacher. A little bit. Not your normal my curly I a substitute today, so we're probably just watch a movie.

Class.

Yeah, that's right.

Take your seats.

We got to take attendance and then we can do whatever we want.

That's right.

You know, Mike actually listens to these. He said last week he really

loves listening to episodes of podcast that he's not on that he hosts because they're his

favorite podcast obviously and and yet there's one that he's not participating in and it is I

Remember flying home from New Zealand listening to the two episodes well I listen to one on the fairy

Between the two islands in New Zealand and then I listen to the other one on the ferry between the two islands in New Zealand and then I listened

to the other one on the flight home of the two that I didn't do and it was it was kind of like an out-of-body

experience a little bit other than the the switcharoo that you guys did with Rocket or whatever it was called, have all three of you guys been on every episode of ATP?

Yep, that was just the one the one time we weren't all there and I was the one who wasn't there.

And you've never you've never had that thing where like oh well this week I mean I've listened since the beginning

Where it's like oh well Casey's not here this week. Marco's not here this no no that's remarkable because we we did the math about at the podcast

athon about how many times the three different connected hosts have missed.

And it's a lot.

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