Hello, world.

Our guest today is Mike Rinder.

Mike is a former senior executive of the Church of Scientology and also a former member of the C-S-E-A organization.

From 1982 to 2007, Mike served on the board of directors of the Church of Scientology and held the post of

executive director of its Office of Special Affairs, overseeing the corporate, legal, and public

relations matters of Scientology at the international level. He left Scientology in 2007 and from

2016 until 2019, he co-hosted the A&E documentary series with Leah Remini called Scientology and the Aftermath.

In this podcast, we talk about how he sailed through the Mediterranean with L. Ron Hubbard,

what it was like working for David Miscavage, and why he finally decided to leave the church.

Please enjoy this conversation with Mike Rinder.

Thank you. to leave the church. Please enjoy this conversation with Mike Rinder. Mike Rinder, thank you for doing this.

I appreciate you coming in and doing this podcast.

You're very welcome.

You're from the area, Clearwater, right?

Well, I'm originally from Australia.

Oh, yeah. I'm originally from Australia. Oh, yeah, obviously.

I'm originally Australian, but I live here in Palm Harbor now, which is just for people not in this area.

It's just north of Clearwater.

Okay.

And when I first came to the United States in 1975, when Scientology first moved into Clearwater, obviously I lived here. Okay. And then I spent a lot of time in Los Angeles, but...

Okay. So you were, just for people out there who may not know your story, you were one of the top senior executives at the Church of Scientology. Number two to David Miscavage, I believe.

You were pretty high up there, right?

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