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Ready to rock and roll.

I was about to say the same thing and I am really.

Ready to rock and roll do you think we are

rock and roll are we more rock than roll I think we are think we roll we roll well I

don't think we rock what's the difference between rocking and rolling well

historically it's the type of dancing associated with music but in Timland rolling means you're pretty cool and smooth. Rock means you're pretty hot and loud and I think we're

okay. Yeah. So rock is the more hot-headed, tempestuous emotional part of it.

Indeed. And Roll is the kind of cool James Dean, you know,

the Boulevard of Broken Dreams. Yeah. Tim Hine, Brady Heron kind of. Bill Yeah, I mean I think of myself role more lazy, more like rock and lazy than rolling, but yeah.

I like to think of myself as rock in the early years, but now I'm moving into the sort of the roll years.

Right, I've just taken things a bit more easy, just a bit more mature.

So your first autobiography is called Tim the Rock Years and then your later one's going to be called Tim the row years.

That's right.

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