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The men beat on their drums. I'm going to be. I'm going to I'm going to I'm going to the I'm ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha so I'm and so so The Hello and welcome to another episode of Politics Theory Other, a podcast from Tribune magazine.

My name is Alex Doherty, and my guest today is Extinction Rebellion co-founder Roger Hallam.

I spoke to Roger about the organizational model of Extinction Rebellion and how it succeeded

in mobilising so many people to take part in direct action.

We also chatted about the booklet Roger has written on the strategy of XR, which is titled

Common Sense for the 21st Century. Only non-violent rebellion

can now stop climate breakdown and social collapse. And we also discussed some of the criticism

XR has come in for regarding its tactics of mass arrests and a perceived failure to properly

engage with communities of colour. You can listen to PTO on iTunes, ACAST, SoundCloud, Blueberry and Spotify,

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Roger Hallam has been an organic farmer for 20 years.

He's currently doing a PhD on the practicalities of bringing about radical change,

with a particular focus on direct action and civil disobedience dynamics.

He's done practical field work for more than three years,

with unions, activists organising rent strikes,

the climate change movement,

in which he's been involved in prototyping Exxar's model of mass arrest civil disobedience.

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