Yeah, let's talk about these things before we talk about these things that we're going to talk about when we talk about these things.

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yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah

as long as you're not talking to somebody in India I had some Verizon misery while I was before I get to my Verizon misery and my train my trainness it is hilarious now that our podcast is so we have one like music mogul homeowner in Southern California it is palatial condo and the other one is a rail riding homeless like over the hill nerd we are completely on opposite spectrums now I literally everything I own fits in a suitcase

and you now own a home yes, I know it's quite the we've taken divergent paths Jason yes, we have that's what makes this so interesting so the yeah talking about writing the rails I took the train trip out in our last show was posted from the middle of I think I was in New Mexico or something on Amtrak I don't know so many of your photos which were great by the way all looked exactly the same except some of them were covered in snow and then some of them weren't that's pretty much what America looks like it's really flat it's really big and

it's really boring so it was a it was an interesting trip I'll get to do it again soon because I'm going back to Chicago to get my leg fixed but I I couldn't leave my room because it was so rickety and rocky right it's the cars of two stories and I was on the top and I couldn't leave my car so it was kind of really lame I didn't get to meet anybody didn't get to talk to anybody I had one guy that I met this guy who is a who is my my steward was really cool did a great job he had to bring me my food you know

and I tell you what man the food was amazing yeah you posted a picture of that and I was I was hardly impressed I mean that was some some decent stuff way better than you get on a plane yeah I had steak two nights in a row it was cooked I get medium rare which you know sometimes even in a restaurant it's hard to pull off right and it was perfect every time and they had Sierra Nevada so add some beer and steak and kick back with my iPad and watch some TV not a bad way to get across country yeah it I did have the sea legs for a couple days though after even sleeping at night

I thought my whole bed was moving I thought oh my god is it a earthquake is a earthquake but it's just just the standard sea legs but yeah I recommend it it was it's it's really kind of fun you know you just basically kick back and you get to look at the window and not have to drive which is the best part because I've driven that so many times yeah so this was my my first chance to actually enjoy the trip across the country and it is a very beautiful country

it is I've done the drive before I've never done train like I said on the last podcast I'm quite jealous at some point I do want to do the train although I hear that the the ultimate cross country train to take is from Vancouver to Toronto that's supposed to just be stunning oh I bet yeah yeah the one from you can do San Diego up to you know the northern tip up to up to Canada and that's supposedly pretty nice too but I didn't have any Wi-Fi so I had to battle with Verizon to get my LTE

up on my iPad and like four hours it four hours over two days of being on the phone with him and oh here's the other thing there's almost no service when you're on the train going across the country I found out yeah yeah it was amazing once I started complaining on Twitter my call got answered faster I don't I don't know how that worked but I don't know if there's some you know cross polymerization there but as soon as I started calling them the devil my my call got answered pretty quick and they got me sorted out that is quite odd you wouldn't

think they'd be able to connect your Twitter account to your phone number oh no but it's I tell you what the once I got it set up that that man it smokes it is so fast this week was kind of interesting there were a lot

of age-ism posts that we got got sent around and since we know we talk about it quite a bit I think people are starting to send

the send us those as the go-to old guys yeah we are old yeah there was quite a few I mean a friend of mine

Matt Quinn forward is one on Twitter about I guess it's a basically a conversation a forum almost

talking about what happens to older developers a guy was wondering he's in his early 30s and he

considers himself an older developer which is like you're a fucking kid yeah but he just started

talking about you know he basically just asked the question that that you and I asked probably

many years ago and we're still asking ourselves it's like what do you do I mean when you get older you

don't you know the programming world changes it's a it's a young kids game you don't want to keep learning

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