#488: The Invisible Thing That’s Wearing You Out: Anjan Katta

The Mark Groves Podcast

Mark Groves

Relationships, Society & Culture

4.9 • 5K Ratings

🗓️ 1 December 2025

⏱️ 46 minutes

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Summary

In this episode Mark sits down with Anjan Katta, the creator of the Daylight Computer, for a conversation that will completely shift how you see your relationship with technology. Together they unpack the hidden ways screens hijack your biology, through flicker rates, blue light, dopamine loops, and the silent extraction of your attention—and why most people don’t realize they’re being physiologically and psychologically overwhelmed until they hit burnout. Anjan shares the wild six-year journey of reinventing screen technology to honor the human nervous system, and Mark explores why reclaiming your attention has become a modern spiritual rebellion. This episode is a wake-up call about the cost of “processed light,” the rise of the analog revolution, and how healthier tech design could return sovereignty, presence, and actual choice back to our lives. Links: —Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/daylightco/ —Website: https://daylightcomputer.com/ This episode is sponsored by: Institute for Integrative Nutrition: Certified Health Coach Training: Use code MARKGROVES20 for 20% off ALL courses from IIN & Chopra at http://bit.ly/MARKIIN —Have a question For Mark to answer on the podcast?https://www.speakpipe.com/TheMarkGrovesPodcast —Have a question for Mark and want an immediate answer? Mark's Dexa page: https://ask.markgroves.com —How are your Nervous System + Attachment Style connected? https://markgroves.com/connectthedots - Subscribe to Mark’s Substack to receive his weekly reflections and insights straight from his heart to your inbox. https://markgroves.substack.com/ —Contact us at podcast@markgroves.com for sponsor product support, questions, comments, or just to say hello! Advertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brands

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0:00.0	Hello and welcome to another episode of the Mark Rose podcast.
0:04.4	Today I have the founder, creator, magician.
0:09.2	I'm going to go with magician, who created the daylight computer, Anjin Kata.
0:16.0	How was that?
0:16.7	You got my name.
0:17.9	Much better than Starbucks.
0:19.5	Yeah, right.
0:21.2	I want to give the context to the people listening because I know you're aware that I've
0:27.2	been on the journey of wanting to understand our relationship to technology and how do we
0:31.4	use technology and interface with it in a way that honors our biology and our health.
0:36.9	And so the reason that I wanted to have Anjan on the podcast is because he really went down
0:42.2	this path of creating a technology that is about honoring human biology.
0:46.4	So, you know, we're not, I think as humans, we tend to reject things we don't know how
0:52.5	to relate to.
0:54.0	And so we want to just say, okay, I'm just going to do no technology.
0:58.1	But there is actually a way to have a harmonious relationship with it, which I think we're
1:02.1	living that question.
1:03.8	And so, Anjan, I'm curious, what led you to create a computer and tablet, maybe this is the more appropriate term for it,
1:12.9	that honors our biology and how does it do that?
1:16.8	We can start there.
1:18.1	Like, where's the origin of this?
1:19.9	By being deeply humbled over and over and over again.
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