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ChooseFI | Financial Independence Podcast

485 | Mailbag: Spending Down to Zero, High-Fee 401(k), and Mini-Retirements

ChooseFI | Financial Independence Podcast

Jonathan Mendonsa & Brad Barrett | Choose FI Media, Inc

Careers, Investing, Business

4.8 • 5.2K Ratings

🗓️ 1 April 2024

⏱️ 60 minutes

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Summary

Most financial planners will tell you to save more, but what if you're actually saving too much for retirement? Brad Barrett and CFP Rachael Camp tackle listener questions about whether to spend down retirement accounts, navigating high-fee 401(k)s, and the financial math behind mini-retirements—all while challenging conventional wisdom about how much is "enough." Spending Down Retirement Savings [00:02:30] Rachael challenges the idea that many people may be over-saving instead of enjoying their money. The traditional 4% rule suggests living only off earned interest, but Die with Zero proposes a different strategy: consider a life balance between spending today and saving for tomorrow. The key is finding what works for your personal goals rather than following a one-size-fits-all approach. Withdrawal Strategy: Adjust your withdrawal strategy based on market performance and your personal goals [00:12:25]. Evaluate discretionary spending to inform retirement withdrawal rates [00:22:19]. 401(k) Fees Discussion [00:31:30] Rachael advises listeners to look for low fees in their 401(k) plans, ideally under 0.2%. It's critical to always get the employer match regardless of fees, as it represents a guaranteed return on investment. Comparing tax savings from contributing to a 401(k) against the investment fees is essential. Maximize Your 401(k): Always capitalize on the employer match offered in your 401(k) plan [00:37:26]. Mini-Retirement and Life Choices [00:41:00] The math behind planning for a mini-retirement is straightforward: save enough cash for your living expenses during that time. Rachael emphasizes the importance of experiences over purely financial considerations and discusses the potential positive impacts a sabbatical can have on one's career and financial independence journey. Roth IRA Contributions [00:50:00] Rachael explains the backdoor Roth IRA strategy as a way for high earners to contribute to a Roth IRA by first making a non-deductible contribution to a traditional IRA. She addresses concerns about the five-year rule, clarifying its impact regarding taxable conversions. Key Quotes "Many of us are likely over-saving rather than enjoying our money." [00:03:41] "Transitioning from saving to spending can be a challenging mindset shift." [00:09:34] "Not every decision needs to be strictly numerical; consider the life experiences too." [00:46:01] "Maximize your experiences—balance spending with appreciation." [00:29:58] "Challenging the norms of financial planning can lead to fascinating insights about spending." [00:30:36] Related Resources Jillian Johnsrud's Website [00:48:18] Michael Kitces' Research [00:10:41] Bill Perkins' Die with Zero [00:06:12] ▶ Listen Next: Ep. 491 — Answering Your Questions on How to Access Money Before 59.5 | Essential Listening

Transcript

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0:00.0

Hello and welcome to Choose a Phi.

0:01.8

Today in the show we have another mailbag episode and we're joined by our good friend

0:06.1

Rachel Camp who is back for the second mailbag.

0:09.6

She was such a hit the first time and I had so much fun recording with her and not to mention she's a

0:14.6

CFP and financial expert and just the perfect person to have back on for these type of mailbag

0:20.0

episodes. So in this one we're going to tackle some interesting questions. The first

0:24.6

was about dying with zero and how to actually think about spending down your

0:29.3

money and what the safe withdrawal rate might be on that.

0:32.7

Then we move into high fee 401k's and do you match,

0:37.1

do you max out your match, a sabbatical and mini retirements,

0:41.2

and the phase out limit on Roth IRA's. I think this is going to be a really fun

0:44.7

episode and with that welcome to have you here.

0:57.5

Of course, thank you, Brad. I'm so excited to be back.

1:00.3

Yeah, this should be fun. So, okay, as always, we get a ton of listener questions, which is one of the most exciting parts of Choose-A-Vye, but also the most daunting for me, because I get these emails constantly, and obviously to everybody out there you should

1:14.2

know the drill at this point but feedback at choose a by dot com or just get on my newsletter

1:18.6

choose a by com slash subscribe and hit reply to any single one of those emails that I send out and just

1:24.6

sending your questions and that's what we use to source mailback episodes like this.

1:28.8

So Rachel like I said a little bit daunting sometimes we had a list of dozens of

1:32.4

questions and you

1:33.1

picked out a few that you thought would be especially interesting. So all right

1:36.8

Rachel let's start with Ryan's question which I think could be the longest

1:40.8

answer of the bunch depending on how in depth we go here. So Ryan

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