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The Welcome back to Missing. I am Tim here today with Lance. Lance, how are you today?

I'm doing fantastic today, Tim. You know, all too often we have a guest on from a long, long time ago, and we end up kind of losing touch with them. But it's always good to bring them back into the picture, to reach out and

reconnect. And we did this with the guest that's on today. She's an amazing person. She's an

amazing writer. She's an amazing journalist and will really put herself into a situation that

probably isn't the safest. And by probably, I mean,

definitely isn't the safest for anybody. But Tim, what's not safe for me right now is proceeding

with this conversation, not knowing how you are today. How are you? Wow, I am doing great. Thanks a lot.

Yeah, very excited to introduce our guest, Kerry Drobin. She is quite an interesting person, and she was both a defense attorney and a prosecuting attorney turned author and investigative journalist. I mean, she really, she went undercover with motorcycle gangs, Lance.

I mean, this is a really wild story. She wrote several books about motorcycle gangs, and you

can find them on her Kerry Drobin author page on Amazon or wherever you get your books.

There are links in the show notes, by the way. But she's also written some other books.

There's one called Aurora that she wrote with Dr. Lynn Fenton about the psychiatrist who treated the movie theater killer.

And I'm excluding his name intentionally there.

But Lance, in this conversation with Kerry, this brand new conversation, we do get into some of these recent killings.

We do talk about Brian Koberger a little bit.

We do talk about Luigi Mangione a little bit as well,

because we recorded this right as his arrest was breaking.

Really good, well-rounded conversation.

And then we get into some of her podcast projects as well.

I agree with you fully on the well-rounded conversation. She's one of those guests that you can have a back and forth with

that's respectful and you can present other sides of the conversation, other sides of the argument,

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