Hello and welcome to best case, worst case.

This is Jim Clementi, retired FBI profiler, former New York City prosecutor and writer-producer

of criminal minds and Bluebeard on Audible.

And with me today is...

Maureen O'Connell, a 25-year veteran of the FBI, retired in 2016, and I've been running my own

company ever since doing security solutions.

Awesome.

Well, Maureen, today we're going to talk about a little bit more about a topic that we've

talked about before, and that is Epstein and his ranch

which he called the Zorro ranch and I wonder I wonder why why he used Zorro was a masked man right

and leading a double life maybe that was a metaphor for him. But he had,

he built a 26,700 square foot mansion there. And he had like, what is it? How many thousand

acres? Let me just see.

It was thousands of acres, and his nearest neighbors were miles away.

So he had all the seclusion he could use or he needed, and unfortunately he was able to,

because of the circles he ran in, because of the money he threw around, because of the lies he told, he was able to basically draw in girls and young women who he then exploited along with Glenn Maxwell.

This isn't the first case that I've delved into, one that I actually worked right after I retired,

with this young woman who was trafficked through a cult in Mexico, and they ended up going out to the desert at some big ranch.

And it's like, what's with all the ranches?

But you're right.

The isolation.

Yeah.

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