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Tangentially Speaking with Christopher Ryan

480 - Joe Smarro and Jesse Trevino (Police Reform Advocates)

Tangentially Speaking with Christopher Ryan

Chris Ryan

Society & Culture, Arts

4.82.3K Ratings

🗓️ 12 June 2021

⏱️ 75 minutes

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Summary

Buddies since their tours in Iraq in the Marines, Joe and Jesse founded Solution Point + in order to use their experience as police officers to bring better training models to police departments around the country. Their approach relies on collaborative partnerships within local communities and prioritizing behavioral and cultural change within law enforcement agencies to better handle calls involving mental health crises.

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Intro music: “Brightside of the Sun,” by Basin and Range; "101 (The Good Stuff)" by Knowmads; "Smoke Alarm," by Carsie Blanton.



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0:00.0

Radio Manu, Papa Tzango

0:02.3

Hi Algo Chris!

0:32.3

It's a really, and Joe C were doing this little voice memo to you from Germany and to all the other listeners, especially the Mama Bears.

0:42.3

For some reason, I think about this community, the Mama Bears. I think about this community.

0:50.3

Around Mother's Day, Mother's Day is on Sunday, and I think I did a voice memo two years ago around Mother's Day.

1:02.3

And that was when I just give birth to Ari and I was really needing community and a life raft.

1:12.3

And sorry for the weirdness I'm being climbed on right now. But yeah, your book, Civilized to Death, and getting a chance to meet you in person and connect with some of the other listeners, and actually have community more than just virtually has been a life saver.

1:34.3

And there you go. And has genuinely changed fundamentally changed the way that I've parented.

1:44.3

Thank you, Josie. It's hard for me to imagine how I have any effect on how anyone parents given the fact that I'm so far away from it.

1:57.3

It's hard for me to even listen to that message as cute and wonderful as it is with all the interruptions and the squealing child climbing on you. I can just like feel your attention fracturing into 15 different places, which I guess parents learn to do without being thrown off their game by it.

2:25.3

I don't know. Is it something that's already there? And that's why you're a good parent or is it something you learn so that you won't murder your offspring, which would be, you know, bad in terms of Tarwinian logic.

2:41.3

Yeah, I don't have it. I've never had it. That's a weird thing. I appreciate it. It's kind of like male beauty, I guess. Like I see, you know, fucking Matthew McConaughey is a good looking dude. I can see that. I can see why women would want to be with him or gay dudes would want to be with him or by dudes would want to be with him or whatever.

3:07.3

But me. It's a weird thing. I see it. I recognize it, but I don't resonate with it. Anyway, I'm glad you do. Josie, I met Josie at a signing in, where was that? That was back in Portland, a while back. And she asked me to sign her body, which I did.

3:36.3

Lovely, lovely body, much better than my signature. It was far better than my signature. Anyway, just thought I'd play that. This is an episode that Josie had a lot to do with. She comes up in the episode. These are a couple of dudes who work in reforming police work to try to make it more sort of open to mental health.

4:05.3

Mental health issues and rather than, you know, showing up with guns and tasers, a blast in and flash in to take a mental health approach, a more sort of community based social services approach to people who are having mental health issues.

4:28.3

It's amazing that we need to even think about this. It's amazing that this is considered kind of radical reform in our justice system.

4:42.3

But it is. This country is so far behind in so many areas. And this is one of them. It's wonderful to have people like these two guys doing this work and bringing American policing into the 21st century.

5:06.3

So these guys have a company called solution point plus, I guess Joe Smaro is the owner and Jesse Trevino is the co founder and president of the company and they're talking with me about cultivating mental wellness to maximize human capital and promote safety.

5:26.3

And stop people from getting shot when they're just having a bit of instability, which I think we can all agree is is very important.

5:37.3

Josie wrote to me, I guess she saw a show, a documentary on HBO called Ernie and Joe crisis cops and she was very moved by it. And she reached out to these guys and sort of check them out and made sure they were legit. And then she wrote to me and asked if I'd be interested in talking with them.

6:00.3

And I said, well, of course, if they're interested in talking to me and she, you know, ran it by them and just lined up the whole thing sent me this amazing email like outlining who they are. Here's what they do. Here's what the show is. Here's a password so you can watch the show. It's just like, boom, boom, boom, totally.

6:20.3

I get emails every day from publicists pitching people to me and they're not a fifth as professional and well thought out as what Josie did. So Josie, I'm sure you're an amazing mom, but when you get a break from that, there's a future for you and publicizing good people and good causes if you're up for it.

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