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480. How Much Does Discrimination Hurt the Economy?

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🗓️ 28 October 2021

⏱️ 53 minutes

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Summary

Evidence from Nazi Germany and 1940’s America (and pretty much everywhere else) shows that discrimination is incredibly costly — to the victims, of course, but also the perpetrators. One modern solution is to invoke a diversity mandate. But new research shows that’s not necessarily the answer.

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0:00.0

Hi, this is Kylian. Nice to meet you.

0:05.2

Kylian Hooper is an economics professor at the University of Chicago.

0:09.1

His specialty?

0:10.5

I study how shocks to individual firms and individual households affect the economy more broadly.

0:17.5

He recently published a paper, along with two co-authors,

0:20.6

that tries to answer a pair of important questions.

0:23.6

The first question is, what are the effects of discrimination on the economy more broadly?

0:29.8

This question is even more pressing in the midst of a global reckoning around discrimination.

0:34.8

And the second question?

0:36.6

The second question is, what types of individuals are most important in the economy?

0:41.1

So what if you lose highly qualified, highly skilled top executives, top managers?

0:46.4

How does that affect the economy?

0:48.5

You might think Hooper was asking these questions in the context of the so-called great resignation.

0:53.8

That's the trend driven by the COVID-19 pandemic

0:57.0

of people quitting their jobs to find something more meaningful.

1:00.9

But no, that is not the context Hooper was thinking about.

1:04.0

He was thinking about discrimination in the 1930s in Germany,

1:08.1

discrimination against Jewish business executives.

1:11.7

Jews were generally very well integrated into the top levels of the German economic system.

1:18.4

They ran all types of firms, firms that we still know today, BMW, Dandrobenz, Aliens.

1:24.4

These are all firms that had important Jewish executives, Deutsche Bank,

1:28.6

still the largest bank today, had a Jewish CEO called Oscar Rasserman.

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