Hello and welcome to the psychology podcast with Dr. Scott Barry Kaufman where we give you insights into the mind, brain, behavior, and creativity.

Each episode will feature a new guest who will stimulate your mind and give you a greater understanding of yourself, others, and the world we live in.

Hopefully we'll also provide a glimpse into human possibility.

Thanks for listening and enjoy the podcast. Next. So today I'm really excited to have Ryan Holiday on the podcast. Ryan is an author, media strategist, and entrepreneur. His books include

growth hacker marketing, the obstacles the way, and ego is the enemy, which is his latest book, which

just came out yesterday.

Thanks Ryan for chatting with me.

Yeah, it's good to talk to you again.

Wow, yeah, it's always good to talk to you.

Wow.

Do you remember how we met? Yes.

Oh, I was just thinking about that the other day yeah you don't know from my perspective so we were both there to have dinner with Neil Strauss which is why we're both there and you were actually you were just like so nice like you were so like you made me so comfortable. I don't know if you knew that.

I didn't even know it was you. I don't know it was right holiday, but you were like, you made some joke as well, you're like, yeah, I know man. Like, I said something stupid, you were like, I know man. And I was like, oh, I really like this guy.

And then it turned out, like it was like,

Brian Holiday that we were having dinner together,

so it was pretty cool.

That was forever ago.

Oh, I feel like I've changed. I feel like I've changed.

Maybe that's the narrative I've created now.

Now I read your book.

I think about everything differently.

But, uh, yeah, how do you feel like you've grown since that was maybe three years ago?

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