Mama Gina, welcome to the podcast.

So good to be here, Natalie.

I am so excited about this.

I first discovered your work, I think it was seven years ago.

And I remember the first...

What was the moment?

Was it reading Pussy Reclamation? It was. Boom, boom, boom. What's so funny is that I'd just been on a planned medicine retreat. I was like in the thick of just figuring out all my things. And I came out of it just like a whirlwind and I got drawn to this book. But me and Stephen were going away for the weekend with our friends and I took this book and I didn't put it down. My head was in it the whole time. And his friends were like, what is that? That you're reading. And I couldn't put it down all weekend. And it was amazing. The best introduction to your work ever. I am so, so, so, so glad. It's exactly what I wanted to do be. It's about. I wanted to be like, like ingest that whole chapter and verse of feminine,

sensual, erotic education that gets left out for all girls and women. So I'm so glad that I hit you. And also that really open time right after a plant medicine journey, potent. Okay. So you and I've been in dialogue for seven years.

Without you knowing it. So I'm a big fan of your work. And I'm so glad that you're here because I feel like you are the perfect woman to speak to my audience where they're at. So giving you a little TLDR of where most of the

listeners right now are at very high achieving women. Yeah. Most of the time, the breadwinners of their

family and really, really struggling to create that polarity in their relationships. Some of them

even listening to this are like, Natalie, what is

polarity? Oh, that's right. Can we dive into that? Why does this happen? And is there a fix?

Okay, first of all, when you were a little girl, did you ever hear of somebody called Cinderella?

Yes. Sleeping Beauty, Snow White? I didn't heard about those people too. And I had to tell you,

Natalie, what I tried so hard when I was raising my daughter

Maggie, and she's 26 now. I tried so hard to keep her away. I thought if I just keep her from Disney,

she won't like get into that whole mythology of thinking someday a prince is going to come and awaken

her and save her and support her and lead

her to her dreams and provide everything that she needs or wants. But of course it didn't work

because whenever she'd go for a sleepover, what would they watch and the next Disney movie? And

so we are steeped, like almost like brood in this construct that a prince will come to take us to our

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