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#477 – Keyu Jin: China’s Economy, Tariffs, Trade, Trump, Communism & Capitalism

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Philosophy, Society & Culture, Science, Technology

4.713K Ratings

🗓️ 13 August 2025

⏱️ 117 minutes

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Keyu Jin is an economist specializing in China's economy, international macroeconomics, global trade imbalances, and financial policy. She is the author of The New China Playbook: Beyond Socialism and Capitalism.
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OUTLINE:
(00:00) - Introduction
(00:35) - Sponsors, Comments, and Reflections
(08:26) - Misconceptions about China
(12:57) - Education in China
(22:14) - Economic reforms of Deng Xiaoping
(27:33) - Mayor economy and GDP growth race
(41:20) - Growing up in China
(46:58) - First time in the US
(51:12) - China's government vs business sector
(54:46) - Communism and capitalism
(58:25) - Jack Ma
(1:04:37) - China's view on innovation and copying ideas
(1:11:15) - DeepSeek moment
(1:15:09) - CHIPS Act
(1:16:56) - Tariffs and Trade
(1:29:21) - Immigration
(1:34:08) - Taiwan
(1:39:54) - One-child policy
(1:47:51) - China's economy collapse predictions
(1:52:34) - Advice for visiting China

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0:00.0

The following is a conversation with K. Yu Jin, an economist at the London School of Economics

0:05.5

specializing in China's economy, international macroeconomics, global trade imbalances, and financial

0:12.2

policy. She wrote the highly lauded book on China titled The New China Playbook, Beyond Socialism

0:20.8

and Capitalism, that details China's economic

0:24.2

transformation since 1978 to today. And it dispels a lot of misconceptions about China's economy

0:32.5

that people in the West have. And now a quick few second mention of each sponsor.

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