Radio Mano, Papa Tzango.

She Silia

Sometimes this podcast gives me access to people that

I frankly can't believe I get to hang out with. Sometimes they're famous people,

sometimes they are just really private people who decide to make themselves

available because they like the vibe that we've created you and I together

in this podcast space that we share and you know with many of you that I've

been sharing for what eight years or something now it's amazing. But today I

got a chance to talk with a guy named Stephen Donziger who is a lawyer who

represented like 30,000 people I think it was in Ecuador, 30,000 farmers and

indigenous people in Ecuador. He represented them in a case against Chevron,

Texaco which was later bought by Chevron and basically I first came across

this story oh man maybe 20 years ago or something I read a book called

Savages by Joe Kane which was a really interesting book. Joe Kane was working

for an environmental organization and through a strange series of coincidences

he flew to Ecuador and just walked back into the jungle I think if I remember

correctly and found this tribe of native people and ended up living with them

for a while and it's a part of Ecuador that borders with Colombia and it is the

richest ecosystem in the world in terms of how many species of plants and

animals you know in a given square acre or whatever I guess all acres are

square it's an incredibly rich place incredibly diverse and

unfortunately engineers, petroleum engineers found oil under the ground there

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