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47: The Undercover Agents Who Slept with Activists: Cara McGoogan

heretics. | andrew gold

Andrew Gold

Personal Journals, Documentary, Society & Culture

4.4968 Ratings

🗓️ 5 April 2021

⏱️ 59 minutes

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Today, I’m talking to Telegraph journalist Cara McGoogan, the host and journalist behind acclaimed podcast Bed of Lies. [By the way, join me in an old 90's-style chat room Thursday 8pm GMT (it's free, and you don't have to sign up): https://discord.gg/RWH7fs6ygb] The series follows the lives of several fairly innocuous and harmless Left-Wing activists in the 80s, 90s and 2000s who fell in love, married and, on occasion, had children with men they had met on the activist scene. They would then go together to marches and rallies against things like animal cruelty or climate change, and other typically socially Leftist causes. It later emerged that the men they had met were undercover police agents acting as spies. Imagine finding out that the love of your life, the father of your children and the person you trusted more than anyone else in the world – that’s all one person by the way, not three - had been living a lie. Cara Links: Twitter: https://twitter.com/cjmcgoogan Telegraph Page: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/authors/cara-mcgoogan/ Bed of Lies: https://podfollow.com/1537575625 Andrew Links: http://youtube.com/andrewgold1 http://instagram.com/andrewgold_ok http://twitter.com/andrewgold_ok http://patreon.com/andrewgold http://andrewgoldpodcast.com Cara talks to me about her investigation and how it got started, what it was like for these women to have the rug pulled out from under them, having to start again alone. We look at a few individual stories, and chat about the police officers and their motivations in ruining the lives of these women. They spent years pretending to support Left-Wing causes, but had actually been secretly laughing at their partners’ views for years and reporting back to the police. We look at the nature of secret-keeping and what that can do to a person, and hear about how some agents came down with PTSD. We talk about literature a bit and the kind of books, like Russian literature, where there are so many names and nicknames and it’s hard to keep track of the characters. That happens at times in the podcast too - but Cara is very good at reminding us who is who - and the stories are enough to give us an overall sense of what happened to many different women over a number of years. More Cara facts – she is currently writing a coming of age love story about a couple torn apart by depression and addiction, set in the hedonistic world of music. She also has a new podcast about secrets and corruption set to come out later in the year. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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students today. For a lot of the women you know they have questions like

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was he lying in bed next to me texting his superior, telling them everything that was going on and things we were talking about and what we were doing?

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To some of the women, they definitely feel like this was a form of rape that they were deceived into sleeping with someone and they didn't know their real identity.

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Today I'm talking to Telegraph journalist Kara Magougan.

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Kara is around my age, I think, whatever that might be,

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and she has had a rich and very journalistic career having worked at Wired before moving on to the

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Telegraph and working her way to the prestigious role of features writer at the Telegraph.

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She is also the host and journalist behind the acclaimed

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