47. The Big Interview: Phillips O'Brien on Intelligence Leaks, Ukrainian Resolve, and Managing Expectations.

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🗓️ 3 May 2023

⏱️ 39 minutes

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Joining Saul to discuss a wide range of topics - from the Nord Stream pipeline sabotage - to Russia's failure to learn from its mistakes, is one of the most incisive commentators on the war - Professor Phillips O’Brien, head of the School of International Relations at the University of St Andrews. If you have any thoughts or questions, you can send them to - [email protected] Producer: James Hodgson Twitter: @PodBattleground Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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0:00.0	Hello and welcome to Battleground Ukraine's big interview with me, Saul David.
0:18.0	Today I'm speaking to friend of the podcast, Phillips O'Brien,
0:20.8	Professor of Strategic Studies and head speaking to friend of the podcast, Phillips O'Brien,
0:24.9	Professor of Strategic Studies and head of the School of International Relations at the University of St. Andrews. Phil is one of the most incisive commentators on the war in
0:29.8	Ukraine and was last on the podcast in November.
0:39.2	Phil, welcome back to the podcast.
0:42.9	I see from your blog that you recently visited the Ukraine.
0:46.7	Can you tell us why you went on that trip and what you found when you got there?
0:55.7	Well, I mean, I went as part of a St. Andrews delegation to basically learn and interact with the Ukrainian Strategic Studies community,
1:00.2	some people in the Ukrainian state and the Ukrainian military to learn,
1:06.0	maybe give some advice about things like framing and the history of military production.
1:12.9	So it was really, you might say, an intellectual trip by the St. Andrews group. We were very lucky in the sense that we had extremely high-level access to Ukrainian officials and very high
1:19.9	access to the Ukrainian Strategic Studies community. So we spent a week there, and most of us were
1:25.9	there a week, and really going from meeting to meeting to meeting.
1:29.7	It was not what you would, you know, we didn't go tour any areas near the fighting or anything like that.
1:36.5	It was more an attempt to learn about how Ukraine is fighting the war from a grand strategic, economic, or social perspective.
1:46.8	We met with a number of civil groups and elements like that.
1:51.5	What did we learn?
1:52.7	Now, that's a very interesting question, because it went on from the most granular to the sort of larger grand strategic. from the granular, they need a lot of ammunition.
2:03.8	You want to say what comes across when you meet Ukrainians who have anything to do with fighting
2:08.3	the war, the number one thing you're going to be told is get us ammunition.
2:12.0	This war is consuming huge amounts of product and the battlefield just voraciously eats up whatever you can
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