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Okay and welcome to I Don't Speak German episode 47. You're hearing my voice which means that Jack is not here and normally would have some snarky comment to make about how he's being lazy but actually he's just suffering from coronavirus related issues.

I would encourage everyone to go and send him some love on Twitter and donate to his Patreon because he is not doing well.

In some complicated ways that I'm not a liberty to discuss but I do have a wonderful guest who hopefully we will have a very nice conversation.

I am joined by Corey Pine who is the author of the book Live Work Work Die. I believe I have the right number of works in there and an amazing journalist and an amazing Twitter follow who has his own kind of work that he's working on.

And we're going to be talking about like tech Agliopoly. I hate saying that word because I can't pronounce it and fascism and whatever else kind of comes up in this conversation. So Corey welcome to the show.

Thank you for having me Daniel. You did get the number of works correct and I don't know how to pronounce that word either. I would just say tech fascism.

Sure. Sure. It's more concise, fierce syllables and I think conveys enough about what the general agenda and philosophy are that I talk about in the book.

No, absolutely. I really enjoyed the book and I'm just going to like this will be a little bit more of a kind of casual chat as opposed to kind of a more organized episode that we normally do because I really just wanted to kind of sit and talk about the book.

And recommend it to people and get people to buy it because like I sort of, you know, I'll admit I was a little bit skeptical like sort of like, oh, another book about the tech industry.

God, I got, you know, like I feel like there are a lot of those kind of, you know, like almost a kind of gonzo journalism style like, oh, I went inside the tech industry and look at, you know, look at what I found.

But I found this one to be really interesting and profound, particularly in its kind of last sequence. So why don't we just kind of start there and tell people about the book and about the process by which you came to write it and what it is.

Oh, wow. Okay.

Can you summarize? Can you summarize? It's hard years of your life and 18 seconds. It would be nice.

Well, it is a hard book to summarize. I mean, I think that's maybe why it's maybe not burning the shells underneath it as people snatch it off.

Well, it starts off as kind of a badly valley safari in a way. It's sort of like, oh, I went on the inside of Silicon Valley.

And I think that's sort of the selling point, but I feel like the book kind of goes to some places that I was not necessarily expecting when, you know, and so that's kind of, I don't know.

I don't want to damn you with that phrase. I feel like the book is very, very good, but I feel like it's not necessarily the book that I thought I was buying necessarily.

Well, I hope that's for the best because I really didn't want it to be another tech book. I mean, by the time I was even to the point of finish my reporting and starting to write, I was so sick of everything that had been written about tech and Silicon Valley and I just wanted nothing to do with the subject.

And anymore because I, you know, in some ways, the book is just everything I wanted to say about the tech industry and the politics of it and what it's doing with the economy.

And I said, I said as much of it as it fit into a book that got published. And it was sort of pitched as a safari because that was the easiest way to touch on every aspect of tech that I wanted to approach.

And the reason I even wanted to write about it is I was, you know, career and newspaper reporter did investigations mostly for all weeklies for, you know, 10 or 15 years.

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