#467: Magic Wand, The Benefits of Red Light Therapy With Liz Frey....
Birthing Instincts
Dr. Stuart Fischbein + Midwife Blyss Young
4.8 • 692 Ratings
🗓️ 27 May 2026
⏱️ 97 minutes
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Summary
This week, Dr. Stu and Blyss break down a recent Substack article reviewing large studies comparing planned home birth and hospital birth for low-risk women. The data? Fewer interventions, lower C-section rates, fewer infections, less hemorrhage, and fewer severe tears with planned home birth. But as always, the conversation goes deeper, into absolute vs. relative risk, the infamous cascade of interventions, postpartum trauma, and why hospitals continue doubling down on systems that many families no longer trust.
Later in the episode, pelvic health physiotherapist and Fringe medical director Liz Frey joins the podcast for a fascinating discussion on pelvic floor dysfunction, postpartum recovery, menopause, prolapse, incontinence, breathing mechanics, and why so many women are told their symptoms are “normal” when they’re actually treatable. Liz also explains how red light, near-infrared, and blue light therapy may support healing, tissue health, pain relief, intimacy, and recovery through Fringe’s pelvic wand technology.
This is a wide-ranging conversation about birth, healing, autonomy, and what happens when women finally start getting the support they actually deserve.
About Liz Frey:
Liz is a clinic owner and practicing pelvic health physiotherapist. As an orthopaedic and pelvic health physiotherapist, Liz’s practice focuses on helping women navigate pregnancy, menopause, and everything in between.
Liz is always keen to explore and integrate evidence-based products into her pelvic health practice. Which led her to become the Women’s Health Medical Director at Fringe - a company that believes in helping people heal naturally.
Website: https://fringeheals.com/ Code birthinginstincts10 for 10% off
Instagram: @fringeheals
Blog: https://fringeheals.com/blogs/blog/tagged/womens-health.
Email: hi@fingeheals.com
References:
Realfoodology Podcast - Why So Many Women End Up With C-Sections: Birth Interventions Explained with Dr. Stuart Fischbein
https://open.spotify.com/episode/3HChoFaUvAmmHsGMoCRvCp?si=LHN-gYRgS_OgE6f24W2qHA
CHD.TV segment with Stu NEEDED
Mentorship with Blyss: wovenmoon.com
Elena Bridgers Substack: To Home Birth or Not to Home Birth?
Dr. Sara Wickham Instagram Post @drsarawickham
https://www.instagram.com/p/DYPHRC0DPqg/?igsh=NmZwMHNpNGxiY2Vx
Discussed in This Episode
Home birth vs. hospital birth outcomes
Relative risk vs. absolute risk in birth statistics
Hospital birth culture and liability-driven care
Pelvic floor dysfunction after birth
Incontinence, prolapse, and pelvic pain
Menopause and pelvic health
Breathwork and diaphragmatic function
Red light and blue light pelvic therapy
Pelvic floor physiotherapy explained
Why postpartum recovery deserves more attention
Podcast Produced by: Raquel Hernandez, Pride and Joy Doula Care
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Transcript
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| 0:00.0 | Welcome to the Burthing Instincts podcast. |
| 0:05.0 | I'm Dr. Stewart Fishbein, a hospital and home birth obstetrician for over 40 years, and a long-time advocate for birth choices. |
| 0:12.0 | And I'm Bliss Young, a traditional midwife. |
| 0:15.0 | Join us in our conversational style podcast where we talk about everything births. |
| 0:20.0 | Sometimes we laugh, sometimes we cry, but we're happy that you're here. |
| 0:23.8 | So here we go. |
| 0:25.8 | Good morning, good afternoon, good evening, and good night, everybody. |
| 0:28.7 | And good middle of the night, everybody. |
| 0:30.3 | I was like, good night. |
| 0:31.8 | You know, sometimes there's just not enough time. |
| 0:37.1 | You know, I set aside time for prepping and it's never enough. |
| 0:43.2 | And because my brain is so filled with ideas and things come up. |
| 0:47.0 | And then I get into a texting frenzy with somebody. |
| 0:51.3 | I got some texts from the lawyer in Texas today from Sally Gonzalez's lawyer, Octavia. |
| 0:57.2 | Because the episode was released today. Yeah, it has nothing to do with that. She's texting |
| 1:02.1 | me because she got a subpoena for Sally's records. And she says, I'm not the custodian records. |
| 1:08.8 | It's signed off by the attorney, the prosecuting attorney or the |
| 1:12.1 | whatever that's called. She says, these people don't know what they're doing. And I said to her, |
| 1:18.6 | well, they're not held accountable. If they do something that's illegal that makes you spend |
| 1:22.6 | money to quash them or to get it dismissed or something like that. They don't care. There's no downside |
| 1:28.1 | for them. They don't get a job review that says you've done stupid stuff or firing you. I don't |
| 1:34.8 | think you can fire them. I think they're all civil servants, right? They can't be fired. Isn't that right? |
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