BBC Sounds, Music, radio, podcasts. Hello everyone and welcome to Ellis Dave and Sherlock Holmes Robbins.

Because like a drunk dad falling up the stairs on Christmas Eve, Dave, you're so bad at hiding that you've got something secret plan for the show.

You are absolutely used to set it.

I'm on the creaky chair again. How was this back in play? You threw this over into the corner. Sorry, John, carry up. Dave, when you broadcast with me, you're broadcasting one of the great investigative minds.

So you get ready for the show, you fath about with your bits and your new computer.

A little bit of money coming in. And then just before, you just, you just type something into your phone

and place it at an angle on the other side of your computer

so Ellis can read what's on the screen.

Because I'm a great investigator.

I thought that was so subtle.

All right, the one whilst...

In what world would someone just before recording

sort of balance their phone in front of someone else and and then say to Bertie, oh, when the, when the Zoom people join, just let them into the room. John. That was the giveaway. Which isn't even on the she. John, that's the giveaway. In my world, I'd never make two and two together to make four. Do you know, all I did was this, so my phone's my hand, I just lent it against my laptop. Why would you do that? But it just might be a silly way to have put my phone. Because I might have lost my mind for a second. Turn your investigative mind on, or is it always on? Always on. So you can't turn it off then. Can't turn it off.

I'm investigating just as I fall asleep. And how long... When did this begin? Because sometimes I will notice something. I think, oh, I wonder what that is. I think, no, that's like something, a detective would think, or Poirot or Cheryl comes and I think, this is... I often think this. I think that is how John lives his life all the time.

It must have begun within the last six days, because he didn't know Lou Sanders was going to surprise him and call him out on his scrabble loss. But I didn't know that. No, I didn't know that. And he hadn't given me a clue either. Hypervigilance, Ellis, is a double-edged coin. Yeah. I think I became a great investigator, a pre-speech.

Because even baby, baby sensed the emotional weather in the house.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

So I was a sort of, you know, a toddler, a oh what a cute program toddler Watson yeah because there's one on telly called the investigators that's a bad

title it is but they're an Australian detective show for kids I. My kids watch it on one of the streaming platforms.

I can't remember which.

Toddler Watson is a far more charming.

It is, unfortunately, during a lot of the cases...

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