Hey friends, welcome to Job with Julie. This podcast is delicious and supported outreach

of authentic intimacy, a ministry dedicated to reclaiming God's design for sexuality.

While it's normal for us to face conflict, challenge, and issues in marriage, it can

be hard to recognize when relationships shift and actually become abusive and really unhealthy.

My guest today is Christian psychologist Dr. David Clark. David is the author of many

books, the host of his own podcast, and is a strong voice in helping victims of abusive

relationships get strong, get support, and when needed, get out. The work he is doing is

really necessary both outside and within the church walls. The knowledge and wisdom he

shares so passionately in this episode is really important for victims of abuse. I would

say friends of victims as well as church leaders to have a deeper understanding into the

dynamics that lead to abusive relationships. Now as you listen to Dr. Clark, you're going

to hear his passion come through, and you'll also hear me push back and nuance some of

the advice that he's giving. If you or someone you know is in what you think might be an abusive

relationship, you need to get help from a counselor who can give you guidance that is specific

to your situation. While books and conversations like this one can be really helpful, they can't

replace seeking wisdom from someone who can help you navigate your particular situation.

In the show notes, we'll put a link to a counseling network that is a great next step for

you or someone that might need some help. We'll also link to Dr. Clark's new book enough

is enough. For now, grab your Java and join us in the coffee shop as we talk about how

to recognize unhealthy relationships and when needed, how to find a way out.

Hey David, welcome back to Java with Julie. It's been a few years since you've been on.

It has been, you know, I'm a fan of yours and it's always my pleasure to be here.

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