Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, Welcome to Crawl space. I'm Tim here today with Lance. Lance how are you today? Oh Tim usually I say I'm Tim here today with Lance. Lance, how are you today?

Oh, Tim, usually I say I'm fantastic, but there is a word that is out there that is beyond

fantastic that I cannot think of right now, but that is how I feel because the

guests that we have on today brought so much

positive energy and was sort of this Moby Dick of a guest that we've been talking about

for years, years since we've seen him in Pan Man.

But Tim, the Moby Dick of my conversation right now is your mood.

How are you today? I'm doing great. Thanks a lot for asking.

And yeah, I'm especially great to introduce this conversation with old friend Cato Caylin and he really is an old friend. I worked with him on a movie. Gosh, it has to be 12, 13, 14 years ago now. And the movie is called Pan Man,

and we talk about it a little bit

in the conversation with Cato.

It is how we know each other, so of course it's gonna come come up you can check out Pan Man on Tooby

but this conversation mostly Lance is about Cato his life as basically as a celebrity because of a tragic crime and he is also doing

his own podcast now it's a true crime podcast called One Degree of

scandalous and it is fantastic and I've been listening because I'm friendly with

him on social media I see his, and I've seen him covering OJ's case, and I had to listen.

And when I say this is the deepest and most interesting stuff that I've seen on OJ's case. I mean it. There are stories that you

haven't heard elsewhere and they can dive deep because it's a podcast. There's no TV time limit or anything like that so

make sure to check out one degree of scandalous if you are interested in the story of

O.J Simpson and the murders of Nicole Brown Simpson and Ronald Goldman and really just the whole story because it is basically a soap opera.

And how often do we get to say that,

that you can listen to this information

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