From Relay FM, this is Upgrade Episode 461 and it is the WWDC keynote draft for 20-23.

This episode is brought to you by Nom Nom and Dark Noise.

My name is Mike Hurley and I am joined by my competitor in the draft, Jason Snow.

You're going down, Mike. Is that what competitors say? Welcome to the Octagon,

where two podcasters enter and both leave, but one of them will win next time.

Yes, this time we will both enter and both leave. And both leave?

And both leave? One will win. But we'll still both leave, but they'll be winner.

Yeah. I have a snow tall question for you. Okay.

Comes from me. And I would like to know, one week out from WWDC, how are your vibes? You excited?

Yeah, I am. I am. I mean, we always talk about this and it's always like,

oh, it's a lot of work, right? And I don't even have a trip, right? It's just,

it's literally I just drive down. It's, you know, it's not that. It's, it's not,

you're coming to California. It's a whole thing. And for me, it's just like, but I'll tell you,

not only am I always interested in the resetting of the Apple software year and what are the

new OS is going to be and all that. And it's like so much about like, what are they,

what are their focuses and what are they going to say? And what are we going to be focusing on in

our jobs for the next year? I mean, it's a big deal. But it's not every day Apple lunches

in an entirely new platform, hardware and software. And this has been, you know, you say about

it's the next year, right? This one is like years. Yeah, that's the difference. Yeah.

Yeah, no, this is, this is, I mean, really, I would say probably since the Apple watch that we've

had something of this scope. And if what we assume is going to happen is going to happen. So

that is extra exciting because those moments are special. And although there's this public

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