#460: The Process Is The Punishment....And The Reward with Angee Hock
Birthing Instincts
Dr. Stuart Fischbein + Midwife Blyss Young
4.8 • 691 Ratings
🗓️ 8 April 2026
⏱️ 96 minutes
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Summary
A home birth.
A tragic outcome.
And a midwife the state tried to make an example of.
In this episode, Blyss and Stu talk with Angee Hock to unpack what it’s really like to be prosecuted for birth work. From a traumatic breech birth to jail time, national headlines, and a courtroom battle that could have changed everything, this conversation goes where most won’t.
But what came out of her trial may change everything: a judge declaring home birth is a constitutional right. This isn’t just her story. It’s about who controls birth in America, and what it costs to challenge it.
About Angee:
Angee’s greatest passion is to be in-sync with the heartbeat of God. She longs to help people reach their God-given potential through their God-given identity and all aspects of growth. She has a heart for Christian leaders and churches to thrive for greater impact on earth.
Angee is a certified instructor with People Skills for You and a certified pastor and church coach through Church Boom. She is currently working towards her masters and doctorate in Global Leadership and Applied Ministry and Theology through Wagner University. She serves as Volunteer Coordinator, Council, and Board member for Nebraska Christian Leader’s Forum. Angee is a retired traditional midwife and wholistic wellness and health practitioner. She has served as peer counsel internationally in peer legal cases in the United States, United Kingdom, and Australia, with focuses on human rights, medical freedom, and private and constitutional law. Additionally Angee has experiences within the Nebraska legislature with Senator support and bill support.
Angee’s hobbies can be mostly summed up with the enjoyment of traveling and experiencing the world, near and far. She lives north of Kearney with her amazing husband and has six wonderful children, ranging from adults to elementary.
Instagram: @nebraskabirthkeeper
References:
The Highwire with Del Bigtree THE CRISIS IN MODERN MATERNITY CARE | DR. STU FISCHBEIN
Safe and Effective? LIVE with Nico Lagan
NE v. Angela Hock: Midwife Delivery Death Trial on Court TV
A&E Show Accused: Did I Do It? Negligent Midwife or Responsible Caregiver?
Discussed in This Episode
The 2019 Nebraska breech trial
Emergency maneuvers, impossible conditions, and a devastating outcome
Arrested, jailed, and made an example
“I’d rather go to prison than lie.” Why Angee refused a plea deal
The real punishment: fear, restrictions, and a life on hold
The courtroom battle: truth vs. narrative
A judge declares: home birth is a constitutional right
Emotion vs. logic, and the strategy behind choosing a bench trial
What was really lost, even with a not guilty verdict
Podcast Produced by: Raquel Hernandez, Pride and Joy Doula Care
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Transcript
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| 0:00.0 | Welcome to the Burthing Instincts podcast. |
| 0:05.0 | I'm Dr. Stewart Fishbein, a hospital and home birth obstetrician for over 40 years, and a long-time advocate for birth choices. |
| 0:12.0 | And I'm Bliss Young, a traditional midwife. |
| 0:15.0 | Join us in our conversational style podcast where we talk about everything births. |
| 0:20.0 | Sometimes we laugh, sometimes we cry, but we're happy |
| 0:22.7 | that you're here. So here we are again. Good morning, good afternoon, good evening, and good |
| 0:29.4 | middle of the night. You're amusing me because we've been doing this for years and years and |
| 0:35.7 | years and you're like, where's the record button? |
| 0:39.1 | Well, Zoom updated itself and now things have changed. |
| 0:43.2 | Yep. |
| 0:43.8 | Yep. |
| 0:44.3 | And what did I say yesterday? |
| 0:47.0 | You're asking me what you said yesterday? |
| 0:50.3 | I said, Stu, the only constant in life is change. |
| 0:54.2 | That's correct. |
| 0:56.6 | It's always going to be advancing, especially for us old folks. |
| 1:00.6 | Life is just going to keep moving faster and faster. |
| 1:03.4 | We're going to be like, I can't keep up. |
| 1:07.1 | Yeah, you know, it's kind of like when your email updates or your phone updates, it's like, |
| 1:11.6 | or your quick end updates, you get used to the way where the buttons are. And then they |
| 1:16.0 | hire people who gets paid a salary to make it more difficult for you. |
| 1:21.2 | I think most people would appreciate that because I hear it all the time when there's updates. |
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