Contractors who do this every day forget this kind of stuff, right?

Yeah.

It's even harder.

Yeah.

So the coordination, the level of coordination, the handoffs between the trades, I think that

most homeowners might be challenged by that and might not get the outcomes that they expect. So find a

partner.

Welcome to the Fine Home Building Pro Talk podcast, a regular discussion with building industry

and building people. This is senior editor Patrick McComb. Today I'm joined by Keith Bowling,

an owner-builder who built his own high-performance home in upstate New York. You can find

the Fine Home Building Pro Talk podcast and the original Fine Homebuilding podcast at findhomebuilding.com

slash podcast. So Keith, we should tell folks who are thinking that they're replaying

another episode.

You were on previously to talk about your work at NYSERDA, but we've got to be clear you're not representing the agency in this conversation.

You're going to be talking about your own house that you built, right?

Yeah, as an owner-builder.

Let's get started here.

So you have been building houses and working on them your whole

life as I understand it. Can you talk about that, please? Yeah, you know, like a lot of pro talk,

you know, podcast guests, Patrick, there were certainly influences, right? As a young person,

um, uh, my father built the house that I grew up in. You know, they had a dream of moving out of the

city and into into the country and a more rural lifestyle.

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