And I think that the cult of individualism has deepened that gap between the natural state and the fake state, between life and death in some ways.

Hello and welcome. I'm Shane Parish and this is another episode of The Knowledge Project, a podcast exploring the ideas, methods and mental models that help you learn from the best of what other people have already figured out.

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On the show today is Sophie Greguar Trudeau. For those of you that don't know, Sophie is the wife of Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau.

Our conversation, however, has nothing to do with politics and everything to do with living and meaningful life.

This is the most intimate interview I've ever done. We talk about the biggest lesson she's learned from her mother, her battle with eating disorders, why nature and art play such a huge role in her life, how she raises a family in the public eye, gender, and more importantly, what unites us.

There are moments in this conversation, especially around the role of vulnerability and living a meaningful life that leaves us both with watery eyes and emotional.

As you'll see, Sophie's passion for life comes through and it's contagious. Time to listen and learn.

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Alright, I'm so happy to have you on the show.

Me too. I have to say. I'm interested about what you talk about on this story. I think it's fascinating.

Thank you. I want to start with a question that I've always wondered.

What's the biggest lesson that your mother taught you?

Hmm. The biggest lesson my mummy taught me.

I think through her journey, it has been the lesson of self-love.

What does that mean?

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