Dr. Chestnut, Cameron, it's so fucking awesome to have you on the podcast, brother.

I'm so excited to be here, Kyle.

Thanks for having me. Thanks for this incredible experience overall. Yeah, this is awesome. How do we meet online? I think you through Instagram or something like that? I mean, we have degrees of connection through a person in my inner circle who we were talking about earlier. I'm still sweaty from my workout. I love it. Grayling Love, you played football with at ASU, who is like in my true inner circle who we were talking about earlier great i'm still sweaty from our workout i love um grayling love

you you played football with at as u who is like and my true inner circle he's one of my people

um and speaks so highly of you and always has my wife played basketball a Arizona state so there's that

connection as well but kind of honestly when grayling talks about you somebody who i I trust so implicitly and who you were a teammate with,

you know, it's he's not BS in me. You know, he's like, yeah, Kyle's the real deal. I love that guy. Says to say hi, all these things. And so, yeah, it's kind of fun to connect after that. But then I think, yeah, via the world of biohacking and wellness and Ben Greenfield and performance.

And as things have evolved, I think wellness and Ben Greenfield and performance.

And as things have evolved, I think you and I are very similar ages and kind of evolving

very much similar in our paths and career.

So it's kind of cool to connect finally.

It's super cool.

And Grayling is fucking awesome, man.

He was somebody I always really enjoyed as a person.

And I remember talking to him.

We were just talking about how intelligent grayling is.

And for those that don't know, he's fucking brilliant.

And like when I first really understood that, I remember asking him, I was like,

did you get like a ride anywhere else other than ASU?

He's like, yeah, I turned down Stanford.

I was like, what? Yeah. That's crazy to me, you know? But I mean, I can't even remember what his reasoning was. Too close to home. Yeah. Yeah, he was ready to get out of the environment that he grew up in. That makes sense. He persevered despite kind of thing. and it's a i I mean, he's an inspiring human, you know, who nobody has ever heard of or knows. So it's just kind of fun to have that. The guys that know him from the team, no, I mean, anybody who's coming to contact with him, you know, knows them, right? I think he's a, he's a genuine fucking person. He's got a huge heart, but also he's gifted, you know, in many ways.

But he was one of the few guys.

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