459: Steven Grayhm—Sheepdog

The Way I Heard It with Mike Rowe

Society & Culture, History

4.8 • 39.1K Ratings

🗓️ 18 November 2025

⏱️ 94 minutes

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Summary

Mike meets actor, writer, and director Steven Grayhm, whose award-winning film Sheepdog is about to hit theaters. Steven breaks down how a three-hour ride with a tow truck driver led him on a 14-year odyssey to get to the truth about veteran post-traumatic stress. It's a conversation about grit, service, sacrifice, and the complicated realities faced by the men and women who stand their post long after the uniform comes off. Steven's passion for telling their stories with honesty and respect shines through every frame of Sheepdog, and every minute of this conversation.

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0:00.0	Hello, friends. It's the way I heard it. I'm Mike Roe. My guest today is Stephen Graham. He made a movie called Sheep Dog. It is remarkable. And Chuck, I don't want to put words in your mouth, but I do believe it made you cry like a 10-pound baby girl.
0:15.9	I told you that in confidence, Mike. Yes, it made me cry. It made a young woman by the name of Tracy
0:22.8	cry. It stuck with us for days. Yeah. I'm not going to tell you why the movie is called
0:28.9	Sheep Dog. You're smart. You'll figure it out. But this is, I'm going to call it a passion project.
0:36.3	Stephen Graham is an actor who's been kicking around now for
0:39.4	some time, but he's spent the last 13, 14 years getting this independent film made. And it is,
0:47.9	I'll say, an unflinching, gritty, super honest look at post-traumatic stress, what it does to an individual,
0:59.0	what it does to the loved ones, what it does within a community, and a potential way out.
1:06.9	It's getting praise from a lot of real vets who are seeing it and saying, I want to show this to my family because it nailed it.
1:16.2	And I wish my ex-wife could have seen this.
1:19.4	I wish my kids from whom I'm estranged could have seen this or will see this.
1:26.3	You know, there's so much about this topic that is difficult.
1:31.5	You know, it's, it's difficult.
1:34.2	People don't flock to the theater and they don't buy books
1:38.3	and they don't watch TV shows that deals with this topic
1:41.5	because it is heavy.
1:43.8	But as you guys know, you know, we've been trying
1:47.4	as best we can for a long time in my little company to shine a light on lots of different
1:53.1	ways to deal with post-traumatic stress. And this film does it in a very ambitious way. I didn't
2:00.6	know this guy, Stephen Graham.
2:02.7	The audience might know him from white chicks.
2:05.2	Yes.
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