Coming up on the Jordan Harbanger Show.

It is so true.

I used to just freak out when I saw somebody wearing my shoes.

But now everybody wears my shoes.

So seeing a great shoe is like hearing a great song when you're alone in your car on the radio.

That tingle feeling you get when you're alone in your car and you hear that great song and you just drive it.

That's what it's like for me.

I might have said that.

So a lot of things.

Welcome to the show.

I'm Jordan Harbinger.

On the Jordan Harbinger Show, we decode the stories, secrets and skills of the world's most fascinating people.

If you're new to the show, we have in-depth conversations with people at the top of their game.

Astronauts and entrepreneurs, spies and psychologists, even the occasional national security advisor,

former cult member, Mafia enforcer.

Each episode turns our guests wisdom into practical advice that you can use to build a deeper understanding of how the world works

and become a better critical thinker.

Today, Steve Madden, yes, the shoe guy, the story you didn't know,

was that the company was originally started, of course, as a labor of love as many companies are,

but was funded and went public as part of a literal scam.

Despite Steve's tremendous work ethic and talent and smarts, he was addicted to drugs,

he was addicted to money, all his brothers were addicts.

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