Hello there, good listener. I am your host, Nick Stumbo, and you are listening to the

Pure Desire podcast. You're biblically based and clinically informed approach to healing from

betrayal and breaking free from all forms of compulsive sexual behavior. And whether today is

your first day with us or you've

been walking in recovery for 10,000 days, we hope that you hear life-giving conversations that

maybe you've never had the opportunity to be part of before. Today is episode 459 for us and

here joining me one more time for this series as my co-host, the one and only Heather Kolb. Heather,

welcome back. Thank you. It's nice to be here. Always good to have you. And I've really been

enjoying this series that we've done on new books that you must read. I know. I've added a few of them

to my list. As have I. I think that's what I want listeners to know is like these weren't just our personal favorites, but these are from authors, some that we know, some that we have recommended to us. We looked into it's like, wow, this is a new book that we think really is helpful to a dynamic of recovery or to a portion of our audience or to all of our audience. And today is no different. In this series, we've interviewed some

old friends like Dr. J. Stringer. We've interviewed some new friends like Dr. Gary Chapman and

Shanti Feldhan. And today I feel like we interviewed a new friend that felt like an old friend.

Yes. Because she just brings such a spirit to this. And I felt like it was my grandmother speaking grace and truth into my story in ways that I could listen to all day.

Yes.

Because she's both lived it and she's helping others walk through it.

And that is author Linda McDonald.

Yeah, I know.

It just felt like we were in her living room in front of a fire, just talking about something that was really so personal and hard and encouraging all at the same time. And I just really, I loved that.

Yeah. Yeah. We're talking today about the post affair divorce. And maybe

you're joining us today because this was recommended to you because you are in the middle of that

situation. And if that's you, we're so glad you're here. We hope this feels like a very safe place

and a very, um, both affirming and hopeful conversation. And if you're a regular listener and you're like, well, I don't have a post-affair

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