456 | Alexander Ward: Biden's Internationalists, Trump's Nationalists, and the Fight for the Future of U.S. Foreign Policy

The Realignment

Technology, News Commentary, National Security, Marshall Kosloff, International Relations, News, Public Policy, Economics, Politics, Saager Enjeti, U.s. Politics, Policy

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🗓️ 20 February 2024

⏱️ 55 minutes

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Alexander Ward, Politico reporter and author of The Internationalists: The Fight to Restore American Foreign Policy After Trump, joins The Realignment. Marshall and Alexander discuss the Biden foreign policy team and agenda's origins in the wake of Trump's surprise 2016 election, whether foreign policy does (or doesn't) determine election outcomes, where the Biden foreign policy builds upon and distances itself from Trump's, the conflicts, events, and regions that shaped 2021-2024: China, Kabul, Ukraine, and why the Biden team's orientation is best described as "internationalist" versus Trump's "nationalists."

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0:00.0	Marshall here. Welcome back to the realignment.
0:02.8	Today's episode is with Politico's Alexander Ward. He has a new book out. It's called The Internationalist, The
0:14.1	Fight to Restore American Foreign Policy, after Trump. As you could tell from
0:17.9	title, this book is all about the Biden administration's foreign policy approach
0:21.8	and the team of people within it leading out of
0:24.8	2021 after the presidential election.
0:27.8	The book obviously is going to go into all the interesting reporting, the Afghan withdrawal,
0:31.9	Ukraine, China, the trade wars, all those big issues
0:35.2	are as we come from this conversation, but I think at a broader level what I
0:38.0	particularly enjoyed about Alex's book is its focus on how Trump's 2016 election really set the stage for how the
0:45.9	Democratic Party's foreign policy establishment had to reassess its approach to the
0:50.3	world after the Obama and Hillary Clinton years. Everything from once again those trade
0:54.8	questions to the questions around NATO and US engagement abroad are all covered here. So that central
1:00.4	idea is really well worth exploring.
1:02.9	It's one of the really interesting ways
1:04.0	I think we're gonna look back on this era of American politics.
1:07.8	Once again, really recommend this book,
1:09.8	and obviously this conversation,
1:11.2	and a huge thank you to the Foundation for
1:13.8	American Innovation for supporting the work of this podcast.
1:18.8	Alexander Ward, welcome to the realignment.
1:21.7	Yeah, thanks for having me. The first interesting question to ask you about
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