Hello and welcome to a very special crossover episode of Real Crime Profile and Best Case,

Worse Case.

This is Jim Clementi, retired FBI profiler, former New York City prosecutor,

and writer-producer of Criminal Minds, and Bluebeard on Audible.

And with me today is...

Kathy Canning Mello, retired FBI agent and profiler.

And also, Maureen O'Connell, retired FBI agent.

And today, we have an extremely special return guest who, well, we all know from our careers,

and that is James R. Fitzgerald, aka. Fitts, and it's great to be back with my favorite guy and two of my favorite

FBI agents in the world.

Actually, all three of you are former FBI agents.

Thank you.

I would appreciate being included in that category.

Thank you so much, Fitz.

It's great to see you, actually.

And what's interesting about seeing you and and our subscribers on identify can

would be able to see you too but you have a background there what what is that

background it seems very interesting well uh it reads backwards to me but I'm

hoping it reads forward to you does it does. It does. And that is cold red.

This is my mini studio. I have two of them. I move my studio in one place and another. So this was one

of the studios. And luckily, these things are movable. And that is our podcast. I co-hosted it with

Ray Carr. And I know, uh know a few of you know Ray.

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