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Welcome to the rest of this politics question Time with me, Rory Stewart. And me, Anastair Campbell. And Rory, we have some exciting news for our members. Tell them what it is.

Well, we have done a deep dive on immigration for the members channel.

And we've got some very different voices. We've got Zoe Gardner,

who is, I guess, we would say, on the liberal side of immigration. Probably actually, she contributed

a video, which she sent in. She's a listener. And I think she had a lot of popular support

from a lot of our members and listeners who broadly sympathized with her much more open,

liberal attitude. And then we had, I think, this really interesting, challenging voice,

Gerald Canals, of who over to you. Well, Gerald, who's written a book about immigration and who

regular listeners will have heard on Friday talking about the rise of the AFD, but he's somebody

who is absolutely devoted the last couple of decades of his life to studying immigration

and immigration policy.

They've got a different take.

They're both really passionate, really interesting, both got different sorts of insights.

And I think this is, as you said in the podcast last week, this is one of the debates of our

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