Hello, friends. Mike Rowe here. It's the way I heard it. And as many of you know,

the guests on this podcast oftentimes wind up choosing the title just because they've said something pithy and memorable.

And this one, Chuck, I don't know. I mean, certainly top five, maybe top three, maybe the top one, maybe. Well, I mean, maybe. I'll just tell you this. As soon as I heard it, I wrote it down, and that was it. It was like, you know, we both looked at each other and kind of went, oh. Yeah, it's going to be tough to top that. I wouldn't be shocked to see this on a t-shirt at some point,

but for the record, we're calling it,

you can't bring a vagina to a penis fight.

That's a direct quote from our guest, Amy Ichikaba,

who could be introduced in any number of ways.

But given the blowback that I've been enjoying for the last week after our

Peyton McNabb interview, man, I thought we were kind of past this. I thought we had turned

a corner and that most people had just kind of given up on the idea that pushing male and females

together in various scenarios was, in fact, bad juju.

But it seems that some people are still clinging on pretty tight.

Yeah.

And to be clear, nobody cares if you want to change your sex, if you're an adult, if you want to dress a certain way, if you want to, you know, even alter your body or your shape. But nobody cares

about that. What we care about is competing in women's sports and, you know, men being in

women's prisons, which Amy speaks to. That's what's really important. And we should all agree on.

Yeah. I thought Amy would be worth listening to.

I almost said worth talking to, but honestly, she doesn't need to be talked to.

She needs to be listened to.

And I met her in the state capital in Texas a few months ago, where I met Peyton McNabb as well.

The women's forum was there, and they were making the rounds talking about what's happening

in California. And Amy is coming from a place where she believes that women are trying to be

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