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The Mark Groves Podcast

#453 My MDMA and Psilocybin Journey Unpacked - With Mike Zeller

The Mark Groves Podcast

Mark Groves

Education, Relationships, Self-improvement, Health & Fitness, Society & Culture

4.9 • 5K Ratings

🗓️ 19 May 2025

⏱️ 71 minutes

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Summary

In this episode, Mark Groves invites neuro-rewiring expert Mike Zeller to unpack their powerful, MDMA and psilocybin-assisted Internal Family Systems session—recorded just one day after Mark’s own transformative experience. They dive into the real impact of psychedelic-assisted therapy in rewiring the nervous system, resolving trauma, and integrating fragmented parts of the self. Through raw storytelling, Mike shares his wife's extraordinary healing from treatment-resistant depression and complex PTSD, while Mark vulnerably reflects on reclaiming his voice, confronting suppressed emotions, and shedding years of internal chaos. This isn’t just a conversation—it’s a radical invitation to rethink healing, reclaim emotional sovereignty, and access your deepest power with clarity and compassion.

Mike Zeller uses a unique combination of neuroscience, NLP, biohacking, somatic healing, flow state psychology, & psychedelics (when appropriate) to bring a rapid and lasting rewiring of your subconscious and nervous system that goes far deeper than typical mindset experts.


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Transcript

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0:00.0

So this has been a long awaited episode, not just for me, but I've shared with you about

0:05.5

my journey of doing an internal family systems parts work, MDMA, and psilocybin assisted

0:12.9

session. It was profound. I did it with Mike Zeller. It was one of the most profound

0:18.6

experiences I've ever had in my life, and I've had a lot of profound experiences.

0:22.7

So I don't say it lightly.

0:24.2

And I recorded this episode the day after I did the session.

0:29.1

So I never thought I'd be doing an MDMA psilocybin assisted session, but I've been curious about the power of psilocybin in terms of therapy and in terms

0:39.8

of healing. And I know it's profound in that sense. There's great research on it, what it does for the

0:44.3

brain. And of course, there's research on microdosing, et cetera. I never thought about the MDMA

0:49.0

combination, but then I had a friend who worked with Mike Seller and shared, they had a profound

0:53.0

experience. I've since referred tons of people to him who have all had amazing experiences, very healing

0:59.6

experiences.

1:00.8

So with all that said, this episode recorded the day after, so it's like super fresh.

1:07.8

And this was in December.

1:09.5

Before we dive in, make sure you hit the subscribe button

1:12.1

wherever you're listening to this. Let's go.

1:16.2

Hello and welcome to another episode of the Mark Groves podcast. Today is a very special episode

1:21.2

because yesterday I just did an MDMA encylisibin session, exploring internal family systems and doing parts work.

1:32.1

And I wanted to interview the interventionalist, Mike Zeller, the guide, the, I don't know, what else you'd be called?

1:41.4

I called myself a neurorewiring expert.

1:43.5

I helped rewire the nervous system.

1:45.6

And so we did a rewired session yesterday.

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